[solved] Install trouble

Forum Forums Official Releases antiX-21 “Grup Yorum” [solved] Install trouble

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    I cannot install any current release of antiX on this Acer Aspire small laptop, having recently tried with 17, 19 and 21. The install procedure usually fails processing the device, either attempting some partition format or simply hanging endlessly. I can run from a memory stick which is what I am doing right now using the very latest release 21 recently downloaded.

    I have tried every imaginable combination of partition table type, ESP present or not, boot and esp flags set or or not, 2, 3 or more partitions present, default install or using prepared partions, but nothing works.

    Related to this problem my questions are, what are the suggested or recommended device setup parameters to achieve a successful install?
    Also why does the install process insist on its formatting the esp swap and root partitions? Why can this not be left to the user, to prepare all partitions himself in advance of the install? Maybe as an option?
    Why does the install fail to recognise my ESP partition which is present with esp and boot flags set?

    The install procedure has been revised and enhanced several times with each successive release, and I have no quarrel with the release 21 version when I have used it on a normal PC, but I am not so sure it can cope with this laptop. This laptop has me beat.

    All contributions welcome, it’s all probably down to my own lack of experience.

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    Hi @roland,

    I’m not sure what the answer is. But maybe it is unusual hardware, or hardware that requires some cheat codes. Since it runs Live it seems possible to install. Is the hard drive a spinning drive? an SSD? NVMe?

    Is it already formatted and using another OS, like Windows? Is it essential to use EFI? or can it be setup as a Legacy/DOS/MBR system?

    Since you can get the LiveUSB to boot can you please share your system info by pasting in the output of “inxi -Fxz” in a terminal?

    Seaken64

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    Hi, I tried to install antiX on a modern laptop and extra steps were required (incl. change in BIOS setting), see
    https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/install-at-dell-latitude-7410-n62p4/
    Perhaps, your case is similar.

    Searching the interweb for installation of other Linux systems on your HW may provide useful hints.

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    This is the inxi listing which was taken when running from a memory stick with 19.4 installed and not 21, but it’s still Grup Yorum. There is no hard disk unit as such, the mainboard has 64g memory soldered direct to the mainboard, almost mobile phone technology I think?

    Skidoo’s suggestion of switching to AHCI in the bios looks promising, I’ll give that a try when I get chance. Thanks for these very helpful suggestions.

    I do not understand the need for the EFI system or what it does, and maybe I should read it up a bit.

    I also have to remark that the laptop runs very well from a memory stick, with a bit of storage reserved for the user it could be a longer term solution if all else fails.

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    System: Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/antiX/vmlinuz quiet splasht disable=lxF
    Desktop: IceWM 2.3.4 dm: SLiM 1.3.6 Distro: antiX-19.4_x64-full Grup Yorum 20 May 2021
    base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
    Machine: Type: Laptop System: Acer product: Aspire A114-31 v: V1.09 serial: <filter> Chassis:
    type: 10 serial: <filter>
    Mobo: APL model: Bulbasaur_AP v: V1.09 serial: <filter> UEFI: Insyde v: 1.09
    date: 10/17/2017
    Battery: ID-1: BAT1 charge: 31.9 Wh condition: 32.2/37.0 Wh (87%) volts: 8.2/7.7
    model: PANASONIC AP16M5J type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: Discharging
    Memory: RAM: total: 3.77 GiB used: 258.9 MiB (6.7%)
    RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
    PCI Slots: Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
    CPU: Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Celeron N3350 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Goldmont
    family: 6 model-id: 5C (92) stepping: 9 microcode: 40 L2 cache: 1024 KiB bogomips: 4377
    Speed: 1096 MHz min/max: 800/2400 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1096 2: 1161
    Flags: 3dnowprefetch acpi aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon art bts clflush
    clflushopt cmov constant_tsc cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts ept erms est
    flexpriority fpu fsgsbase fxsr ht ida intel_pt kaiser lahf_lm lm mca mce mmx monitor
    movbe mpx msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pclmulqdq pdcm pdpe1gb pebs pge pln
    pni popcnt pse pse36 pts rdrand rdseed rdtscp rep_good sdbg sep sha_ni smap smep ss sse
    sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc tsc_adjust tsc_deadline_timer
    vme vmx vnmi vpid x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves xtopology xtpr
    Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
    Type: l1tf status: Not affected
    Type: mds status: Not affected
    Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
    Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable
    Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
    Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full generic retpoline, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling
    Type: srbds status: Not affected
    Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
    Graphics: Device-1: Intel vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0
    chip ID: 8086:5a85
    Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
    resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
    OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 500 (Broxton 2x6) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.3.6
    compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes
    Audio: Device-1: Intel Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor N4200/N3350/E3900 Series Audio Cluster
    vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:0e.0
    chip ID: 8086:5a98
    Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
    Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    vendor: Acer Incorporated ALI driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 1000 bus ID: 02:00.1
    chip ID: 10ec:8168
    IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
    Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Lite-On
    driver: ath10k_pci v: kernel port: 1000 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 168c:0042
    IF: wlan0 state: down mac: <filter>
    WAN IP: No WAN IP data found. Connected to the web? SSL issues?
    Drives: Local Storage: total: 72.70 GiB used: 4.02 GiB (5.5%)
    ID-1: /dev/mmcblk0 model: DF4064 size: 58.24 GiB block size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B serial: <filter> scheme: MBR
    ID-2: /dev/sda type: USB vendor: Toshiba model: TransMemory size: 14.45 GiB block size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
    Message: No Optical or Floppy data was found.
    RAID: Message: No RAID data was found.
    Partition: ID-1: / raw size: N/A size: 2.97 GiB used: 2.8 MiB (0.1%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102
    label: N/A uuid: N/A
    ID-2: /live/boot-dev raw size: 4.29 GiB size: 4.18 GiB (97.50%) used: 1.17 GiB (28.1%)
    fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 label: userpart uuid: a65b852e-644e-4cab-b47f-9b29857a7b98
    ID-3: /live/linux raw size: 1.14 GiB size: <root required> used: <root required>
    fs: squashfs dev: /dev/loop0 label: N/A uuid: N/A
    ID-4: /media/ANTIX-UEFI raw size: 49.0 MiB size: 48.2 MiB (98.43%) used: 4.2 MiB (8.

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    There is no hard disk unit as such, the mainboard has 64g memory soldered direct to the mainboard, almost mobile phone technology I think?

    Interesting. I think that is probably the area where there is a problem. Maybe the kernel is not compatible with the type of memory used as storage. But the USB storage memory is obviously working. Maybe you can just use the LiveUSB and set up persistence and ignore the internal memory.

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    I looked in the Bios settings but the SATA protocol is already AHCI with no alternative offered, it is not a Bios variable.

    So I have now exhausted the mix n match method of defining the partition table and partition type and flags available, without any success, having tried every combination I can think of. The install either fails by hanging endlessly, or by reporting a fail while formatting a partition, almost invariably root, however that may simply be because it is the first partition that I cannot request to Preserve. The latest installer is flexible enough to have made this process quicker and more organised, I applaud it.

    I would like to be able to format all the partitions myself and have the installer Preserve them all, and so maybe get straight into copying the system across rather than failing doing a job I have already done for it. Maybe this could be offered in a future release of the installer, if the developer considers it of value?

    If any interested contributor has further suggestions, please let’s have them.

    Meanwhile I intend to clone an existing full install I have on a PC and run it on this laptop from a usb, which seems quite an effective if interim solution.

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    Hi roland, you wrote
    I would like to be able to format all the partitions myself and have the installer Preserve them all, and so maybe get straight into copying the system across rather than failing doing a job I have already done for it. Maybe this could be offered in a future release of the installer, if the developer considers it of value?

    That is already possible with the new installer. So many options it takes a bit of help reading and playing to figure out.

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    I think I already tried to skip the /root format but it refuses to accept Preserve on that partition. I’ll try it again and confirm that.

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    Meanwhile I intend to clone an existing full install I have on a PC and run it on this laptop from a usb, which seems quite an effective if interim solution.

    As I understand from this thread:
    – antiX Live runs well on your laptop. You planned for traditional installation and it failed, apparently due to internal storage.
    – Now you plan to copy an already traditionally installed antiX to a USB and run from there as you assume it will run as well as antiX Live that you already have on USB.

    If my above understanding is correct then I would just mention the following:
    – Running antiX Live from USB and running antiX (in effect of your plan) installed on USB stick are quite different things:
    – antiX Live you have now is designed to operate with very few Write I/O to media, if any. In result it is fast and does not degrade USB flash media over time. IMHO this is in general way superior to run antiX than traditionally installed in the first place.
    – antiX (in effect) traditionally installed on USB flash media will incur lots of Write I/O operations to media, it is usually slower in operation than Live antiX.
    – If you try to boot such ‘installed’ antiX on another machine then a possibility is it might not work too well due to installed system having been tailored to the original machine, where it was installed, while antiX Live adapts to any machine hardware configuration during boot time.

    Just my opinion…

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    Starting to wonder if this is a lack of a boot partition and using mbr instead of efi to install antiX problem.

    These modern computer gear are trickey dickey.

    ID-1: /dev/mmcblk0 model: DF4064 size: 58.24 GiB block size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B serial: <filter> scheme: MBR

    the scheme: MBR is what is making me wonder. I made the same mistake on a modern touchscreen unit with a broken hardrive harness.

    Edit: and then there is this

    I do not understand the need for the EFI system or what it does, and maybe I should read it up a bit.

    Found out I needed a like a 200 MB to maybe 500 MB boot partition and label it efi. Then point boot at it during my install to a sd card.
    Just a thought though. Good luck.

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    Yes, I agree with roky, have you tried formatting as GPT and using the UEFI partition setup? It’s worth a try.

    Isn’t the Snapshot of the other installed system treated as a Live USB until you “install” it? Seems to be staying with the Live USB is a good option, rather than trying to “install” to a USB.

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    If all else fails, maybe install another distro or OS that includes Grub so you can add a frugal or other version of antiX as one of its boot options?

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    After learning a little about the UEFI system browsing the www, I find that most laptops made during the past 10 years expect UEFI system to be catered for in their booting arrangements. It does not seem to have made much inroad into the PC market yet.

    UEFI seems to be the product of a latter day ‘Gang of Nine’ attempt to regulate boot management when multiple operating systems are present, one wonders if the Windows fraternity or related manufacturers are behind it, as it seems to do nothing that Grub does not do. I am not sure if UEFI excludes Grub or if Grub can function within the UEFI envelope, as the antiX installer offers either MBR or EFI as Grub install locations. It looks as if Grub code is embedded in UEFI files at some point during install.

    A partition table conforming to either MS-Dos or GTP standards is suggested but GTP is recommended because of the greater number of partitions available. MS-Dos is limited to 4 (I always thought it was 3, maybe the the EFI partition is not counted ?). The EFI partition used as /boot will need to store about 30mb of code for each installed system. The recommended total size varies from 200mb to 500mb however (seems a lot of excess ?). It must be formatted Fat32 with EFI and Boot flags set. I created one of 256mb which has to be adequate (?).

    I have created the partitions I thought appropriate for an install on this laptop including an EFI partition as above. The install fails formatting /root. I also tried leaving the installer to create partitions to chosen % for /root and /home, fails with an endless hang, I gave it 10 minutes or more. Htop showed little or no cpu activity throughout. The log shows no new activity after the necessary cleanup, so it’s doing nothing it seems?

    Therefore I have to conclude that either I have missed something fundamental (most likely) or the installer does not handle partition preparation adequately, or maybe something is missing.

    I think (my opinion only) that the installer should not attempt formatting any partition marked Retain, and this marker should be available for all classes of partition including /root, giving the user more flexibility and getting the installer straight into copying the new system across.

    How can I run a bad block HD check independently of a partition format, when there is no system installed?

    The attached screenshots show a bespoke install using partition table gtp, Efi partition 256mb with boot + EFI flags, Swap, /root ext4 and /home ext4, which fails formatting /root.
    Also a default install with 12% /root and the rest /home, which hangs endlessly with no apparent activity.

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    Dumb question time.

    Did you fill out passwords and other info with the next button . Because the loading of /root file system is waiting on that input first.
    So did you use the next button till you could not anymore?

    I know it is not obvious. I learned myself through trial and error.

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