Interesting change… antiX 23 Beta now blocks Russian news channel…

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      Just curious where antiX is getting lists of websites to be blocked in ‘Addblocker’ ‘Fake News’ section… Is this government dictated? If so then which government – USA?
      My curiosity is prompted by the fact that one change from antiX 23 Alpha to antiX 23 Beta is that the major English language Russian news channel (RT News) is now blocked.
      Is the fact that USA (as most Western governments) are now at war with Russia the reason to classify Russian news channel as ‘Fake News’? I do not think this would be the right classification though… If so dictated by government then it should perhaps be blocked as ‘War Enemy’ category, but not as ‘Fake News’.
      Agree or not, but I see way more fake news spread by the major politically aligned with the government news channels such as CNN (USA) or MSNBC or most other news channels, which provide only politically tailored point of view…
      So should this classification for Russian news channels be changed to something like ‘Enemy news’ or something, and be blocked as such in antiX (if dictated by the ruling governments), instead of ‘Fake News’ classification, which certainly is not correct?

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        Is the fact that USA (as most Western governments) are now at war with Russia
        Really !.

        But complain about fake news tags.

        Blocklists are not redacted by antiX devs, can be found in /etc/hosts and etited to
        users desire…

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          Post the link so we can check.
          Hasn’t Russia Today changed its web address recently?
          This also effects antiX-22 and is beyond our control.

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            As a Legal note: Russia Today is an illegal channel in EU but still easy to find.

            As usual from EU bla bla and from RT Wagner killers are the greatest.

            In a word situation Stinks.

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              Is the fact that USA (as most Western governments) are now at war with Russia
              Really !.

              I am in Russia now and I confirm that Russia is really at war with NATO right now. But officially it is called as a special military operation and, accordingly, military assistance.

              Words are carried away by the wind...

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                I confirm that Russia is really at war with NATO right now

                I’m not being ironic- I would very much appreciate the point of view of a normal Russian citizen about this war…
                I’m completetly aware that this war is an escalation of the civil war that had been going on in Ukraine for the last 8 years or so, but now it’s not just that country against those seeking independence, but also against Russia.
                Yes I’m also aware that, not only Russians bomb the crap of Ukrainian civilians but Ukrainians had been bombing the crap out of rebellious zones’s civilians… War is like that, civilians suffer, always, there are hardly any saints.

                Yes, I’m aware that, like Putin said, the US did not allow nukes during the Cuban Crisis, and so Russia also does not want foreign nukes near it’s boarders… I get that.
                I’m also aware that Putin probably sold the “intervention” as a way to save Russian speaking civilians… But doesn’t he also mention that those are also “historical Russian borders”? Man, if Russians say that where ever a Russian ever pissed, since the dawn of time is a Russian border, I want the same for Portugal – some 500 years ago, Portugal and Spain divided the world in half for each one, excluding Europe and little else. If we apply the same reasoning, Portugal would be a major superpower, not a small 11 million people country, always near bankruptcy…

                … If the Italians think to say that every land they ever conquered is their historical border and can be reclaimed, Europe, part of Africa and the middle east are toasted…

                P.

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                  Seems to me the original question was not answered: Where does antiX get the list of websites to be blocked?

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                    Seems to me the original question was not answered: Where does antiX get the list of websites to be blocked?

                    https://gitlab.com/antiX-Linux/advert-block-antix

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                      I’m not being ironic- I would very much appreciate the point of view of a normal Russian citizen about this war…

                      I don’t think this is a place for political discussions…
                      Now the war is being unleashed by the same characters who unleashed the war in 1914 and 1939. And for exactly the same reasons. For you and me, this means that in the very foreseeable future we will be able to meet on the battlefield and look at each other through an optical sight. And I will be obliged to shoot at you, and you will be obliged to shoot at me. The sooner and more clearly we all realize this state of affairs, the better for ourselves. Moreover, the possibility of such a meeting is not just real: it is inevitable. Those who are starting a war now will not stop. Because they could never solve their problems any other way and never wanted to. Now they are not going to solve their problems in any other way.

                      Words are carried away by the wind...

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                        the better for ourselves

                        ???????
                        In the antiX world, politics can be discussed everywhere.
                        If you open your mind you will see that the path you describe is not a fated and inevitable one. The people can also rise up against those in power and in some parts of the world where you would not have expected it, this has happened recently. At some point it is ultimately your and my own decision what happens and not at all our fate.

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                          this means that in the very foreseeable future we will be able to meet on the battlefield and look at each other through an optical sight

                          I’m a pessimist, but I highly doubt that will happen “in the foreseeable future”: people mostly think that globalization would prevent any world war, and I think they are partly right: Russia now, instead of selling oil and gas to rest of Europe turned to China and India. Those 2 countries benefit from lower prices, but Russia makes less money…
                          China and India mostly have money to buy oil and gas from Russia because they export stuff to Europe and the US, etc.. In the case of a World War, that economic flow would stop and literally most countries in the world would go bankrupt in months, Russia, China, India, USA, EU, etc… No one wants that.
                          It’s easy to sell, to it’s citizens, that there is no war, just an intervention. If there is no war, how can there be a war with “The west”?
                          Also – contrary to some news about Russia I saw in the new- no one, at least on one in Portugal, but probably “in the west”, is trying the eliminate Russia or Russian Culture. Do you know why? Most people outside Russia’s sphere of influence do not know any Russian Writers, Musicians, Movies, etc… I love culture and I read only 2 Russian books, one, very fitting to this times was “Crime and Punishment” (I did not like that book, by the way, I hated the story but I loved the prose). I also love 2 Russian movies, both sci-fi: “Solaris” and “Coma”.
                          Outside of that? The only thing the rest of the world knew about Russia before the war was that they had oil, gas and vodka… Classical musicians know some Russian Composers, folks my age know about Kasparov, and little else… Oh, yeah, you won the first legs of the space race with Sputnik and Gagarin… (sorry if I botched all those names)
                          No one wants to exterminate Russia or Russian Culture. It’s current Government is doing that on it’s own, it seems.

                          Don’t be so pessimistic – Money runs the world, and Money has to flow. The Power of Money will probably keep the local war to sell ammo, tanks, etc, but avoid a full scale world war… at least lets hope so.

                          One last note: on 1990, no one figured that it was the last full year that URSS existed… Things change, not always for the best, but always change…

                          P.

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                            Let’s not forget that there were sizable demonstrations in Russia against the war.
                            Before that there were also large demonstratives against Putin taking place all over the country.
                            Unfortunately, the Russian state through repression (just like in Iran, Belarus, Egypt, Myanmar) has stopped them.
                            However I’m sure that the anger is still there and will explode once again, even stronger than before.
                            Putin’s days are ultimately numbered, not because of NATO, but from within.

                            Ukraine war: How a Russian child’s drawing sparked a police investigation

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65015289

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                              @PPC: You’re right. Also as far as wars, conflicts, etc. the only people who are against one another are either those who listen to and believe what government (in any country) say or extremely bigoted people who dislike anyone who is different than themselves.

                              As for me, though I enjoy technology, the number one most interesting thing about work prior to retirement was the people and generally the people who were the most interesting were the people with a different nationality, different faith beliefs and different just about everything. For me that wasn’t a threat, it was what made it interesting. Many of us worked side by side for years.

                              Same thing here; I enjoy the diversity we have in this community and I do my best to appreciate everyone.

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                                As far as Russian and Ukrainian people, again I have the distinct feeling that it’s government squabbling and land ownership over nationality, though at the moment the citizens may have doubts because of the destruction they experience.

                                I’ve known people who initially called themselves Russian though their names and lineage were actually Ukrainian. My family name is Ukrainian too, but I’m all American, with parents also American. We’re not all jerks either but often our government behaves like bullies and gives many people a bad reputation. Like anywhere else, there’s good and bad all around.

                                I love how Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder once wrote about their piano keyboard with different colors and notes, wondering why people can’t also live in harmony.

                                I hope that antiX can always be a harmonious collection for the world to see, use, enjoy and share.

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                                  Using Linux is a political statement. You could very well argue that “free and open source” has the same inherent meaning as “anti-fascist” (although of course people try to twist the meaning of these terms). I write these words, because I see some people arguing that someone else but Russia is to blame. I find it puzzling that someone can be a Linux enthusiast while at the same be apologetic about Russia’s actions.

                                  The way I see it, Russia has invaded the sovereign state of Ukraine, annexed part of its territory, occupied more parts, and is fighting to overturn the Ukrainian government. Whatever reasons given by the Russian government, there is no justification in international law for any of these actions. You can be as angry as you like with the USA or the EU, but they did not start this war: Russia alone decided to invade a neighbouring country. Russia alone carries the responsibility of starting this war. People who argue that the Russian government had some justification for any part of these actions are running Putin’s errand, willingly or not. I live in a country bordering Russia. I was born and raised some 500 kms from the Soviet border. Already, I am feeling less secure than ever before, (and I grew up with the threat of a Soviet nuclear attack), and I fear for the long term effects if Russia should succeed in toppling the Ukrainian government. I can only wonder how 36 millions Ukrainians feel about it.

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