Is Bluetooth working with 19.2 Runit Hannie Schaft?

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My question to team arises from the fact that in my testing of 19.2 Runit version of Hannie Schaft antiX I was not able to make bluetooth work under the same conditions as Sysvinit version.
Specifically it works fine for me for the following:
– antiX 19 Sysvinit version fully updated as of today – this I understand is equivalent to antiX 19.2 Hannie Schaft.
– Bluetooth turned on, paired to bluetooth devices (tested on two)
– Pulseaudio daemon started (pulseaudio -D &). Just to be clear: I do understand pulseaudio is using about 30M more memory and I do not like it for that reason, but in cases you need bluetooth to work there seems no other option…
– Bluetooth works fine in such environment both with Kernel 4.19 and 5.5 as tested.

Bluetooth does not work for me with the same prerequisites when antiX is 19.2 Runit version of Hannie Schaft, both when kernel is either 4.19 or 5.5. Bloetooth pairs but connection to device fails.
I have not done testing of the same under 19.2 Sysvinit version of Hannie Schaft, relying on statements in this forum that fully updated antiX 19 is equivalent to 19.2.
So my conjecture seems to be pointing to any of the following:
– Can this behavior be attributed to some difference between fully updated antiX 19 and antiX 19.2 in spite of assumptions it is the same?
– Is this behavior related to Runit?

I would appreciate some tips as otherwise Runit version of Hannie Schaft seems to work fine, so it would be great if this happens to be something simple…

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I had to use pulse audio to get my bluetooth speaker working.

Skullcandy usb speaker.

I usually troubleshoot this kind of problem with the terminal and the dmesg command to find my errors.
You will have to know some info on your bluetooth speaker though to use dmesg command.

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rokytnji wrote:

I usually troubleshoot this kind of problem with the terminal and the dmesg command to find my errors.
You will have to know some info on your bluetooth speaker though to use dmesg command.

Thanks rockytnji for these tips. I will figure this out how to use dmesg command.
From your tip I infer that problem might be specific to my bluetooth devices? That is possible, of course…
However, regardless of that, collecting facts after meticulous testing of various variants of antiX it is fact that bluetooth works fine on these devices in fully updated antiX 19 Sysvinit variant, regardless kernel is 4.9, 4,19 or 5.5.
Currently such fully updated antiX 19 Sysvinit, kernel 5.5 is the one I use… Particularly that in my testing it uses the least of memory, appears fastest and all that I use does work. My venture into Runit 19.2 seems to indicate it is in beta at this point, so I would not expect all is smooth yet. This topic was just my question if it works for anyone…
I understand that bluetooth is probably the least important for antiX, particularly that it requires pulseaudio and from my observation pulseaudio increases the memory use by rather large amount, seems like by 70M in reality… So not a priority.
Next I will try to install the latest 19.2 Sysvinit variant of Hannie Schaft and try to load with the same kaboodle of apps and test.
One thing I do not understand from my testing though: Runit variant (Full) of 19.2 Hannie Schaft appears to use more memory in the same setting for me than fully updated 19 Sysvinit. But this observation is outside the scope of this topic…

• This reply was modified 3 years ago by olsztyn.

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From your tip I infer that problem might be specific to my bluetooth devices? That is possible, of cours

Not all bluetooth devices.hardware are linux compatible. Just like wireless dongles. Some are drm. Locked into Windows or Mac.
Usually lat4ely. I google for linux compatibility.

But my wife. A Windows User. Buys me presents I try and make work sometimes. It is how I learn this stuff.

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But. Your runit reasons mystify me. Works on one. Not the other. Weirdness indeed.

Edit: But then again. Systemd distros sometimes is needed to make bluetooth gear work. Which leaves us out. My example. Same speaker. Different distro.

https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/network/skullcandy-soundmine-bluetooth-external-speaker/

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rokytnji wrote:

But. Your runit reasons mystify me. Works on one. Not the other. Weirdness indeed.

Edit: But then again. Systemd distros sometimes is needed to make bluetooth gear work. Which leaves us out.

My preliminary testing indicates that antiX (Full) 19.2 Hannie Schaft Sysvinit variant behaves the same way as Runit variant for Bluetooth. Does not seem to work for either.
This means to me:
– antiX 19 fully updated Sysvinit variant works fine with bluetooth (Which means systemd is not required for this to work, but pulseaudio is).
– antiX 19.2 with respectable name of Hannie Schaft unfortunately does not work with bluetooth, regardless variant is Sysvinit or Runit.

This also means that 19.2 Sysvinit is not fully equivalent to 19 fully updated, which seems the latest working fine with bluetooth.
However, again to point out, bluetooth is not important to antiX, as apparently not many users care about bluetooth and the requirement of pulseaudio to make bluetooth work means additional huge ~70M memory demand, which is against antiX being lean principle. So from this perspective you may be right on being left out…

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olsztyn wrote:

– antiX 19.2 with respectable name of Hannie Schaft unfortunately does not work with bluetooth, regardless variant is Sysvinit or Runit.

I will test this out today, but I believe you may be missing pulseaudio-module-bluetooth.
I will return when I have done the experiments with antiX 19.2 runit edition.

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Tested on antiX 19.2 (with 4.19 kernel) runit full x64 (only live, no persistence)
Installed pulseaudio, pavucontrol and pulseaudio-module-bluetooth. Enabled bluetooth using connman.

1. First test. Bluetooth had problems. Not able to launch “bluetoothctl” or “blueman-applet”
Diagnostic: Checking if bluetooth service is on/working

$service bluetooth status
[FAIL] bluetooth is not running ... failed!

Solution: Starting bluetooth service
sudo service bluetooth start

2. Second test (after starting bluetooth service). Bluetooth works well.
Starting blueman-applet and connecting to my bluetoth headphones works.
Setting the bluetooth headphones as output device in pavucontrol and then playing a youtube video. Audio works for bluetooth headphones.

Conclusion: bluetooth works for antiX 19.2 runit edition

My thoughts.
I barely understand sysV init, and I know nothing about runit. I know a bit about how to change stuff using the sysV Runlevel config (sudo sysv-rc-conf) but I have no idea of how to do things with runit (reason for me not using this antiX flavor). After starting the bluetooth service on runit, will it start again on the next boot? Does the user need to change something on their system for it to automatically start?

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Xecure wrote:

I will test this out today, but I believe you may be missing pulseaudio-module-bluetooth.

Thank you Xecure for your testing and confirming bluetooth is working fine with Runit variant of 19.2 Hannie Schaft… Looks like it was my overlooking pulseaudio-module-bluetooth after all…
After installing this missing module I also confirm bluetooth works fine for me with Runit variant of 19.2.
I apologize for confusion…
On memory requirements I will redo my testing as well with all components in place so I do not jump to conclusion…
Thanks and Regards.

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