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anticapitalista
Who still uses a cd (not dvd) to write/boot/install antiX?
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Brian Masinick
I still have both CD and DVD images available and I have a device that recognizes them, but the recent images are on USB, so I don’t require future support of CD. If I use it at all it will be to examine very old software and information.
USB is the current media of choice for offline physical storage.
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rayluo
Did not use (or even own) CD or DVD for years. On the contrary, a handful of old USB thumbdrives with various sizes are collecting dust inside my drawer.
Out of curiosity, why @anticapitalista asked this question? It does not seem to be about the size limit of a CD (650 to 700 MB, up to 710 MB). antiX’s full iso has long been passed that mark, while core and net iso are still far under it. http://linuxfreedom.com/mxlinux/ANTIX/Final/antiX-19/download.html
anticapitalista
@rayulo – you missed the base version which is becoming more and more difficult to fit on a 700MB cd.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
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christophe
That’s a good question. I realize it must get harder & harder to keep the base down to 700 MB (or 650). I don’t need it. But my thought is this — antiX is one of the very few distros left supporting 32-bit. I think you are trying to check if the cd-rom space requirement is still needed for the base ISO. I think you will be supporting people who have nowhere else to go, if you continue to support the cd-rom limit of about 650/700 mb.
Just my thought. Again, my computers (that I still use) can boot usb, so this is just conjecture….
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BobC
If you find many people needing it, how about just a Core version that fits on a CD and a CLI script to download and install the rest of the full version if someone needs it, with LibreOffice being optional in case they have a small disk?
I rarely use my pre Y2K machines, myself, and don’t need the CD version myself or for any of the machines I support around here.
I don’t think you should need to spend lots of time trying to squeeze it more and more.
Brian Masinick
If you find many people needing it, how about just a Core version that fits on a CD and a CLI script to download and install the rest of the full version if someone needs it, with LibreOffice being optional in case they have a small disk?
I rarely use my pre Y2K machines, myself, and don’t need the CD version myself or for any of the machines I support around here.
I don’t think you should need to spend lots of time trying to squeeze it more and more.
That’s a great idea BobC.
In the event that any users do not have any available bootable USB ports and they don’t have anything other than a CD from which to boot from, perhaps we could make a 2 CD Base+or full system.
The issues would be what would be the right software to make such a system bootable? If there are not many people who need this we may not want to provide it.
Are there a set of doable instructions, either for a person to build their system in one of these minimal configurations or a set of instructions that one or two of us could perform on behalf of those 1-2 people to “pay it forward” and give back?
- This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Brian Masinick. Reason: Spelling- ate should be are
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Brian MasinickKenzoG
This seems to be a new thread about the problem that I asked about last year: the Base iso being too big to fit on a cd.
Many people then suggested not having any browser (Firefox) included on the iso, which I think would be a good idea, as Firefox nowadays anyway is too heavy to use on older computers.I use every day an i686 from 2004 – that neither can boot from usb, nor write dvd’s – for surfing, reading hotmail, etc. It works excellent with AntiX Berta Cáceres and Chromium.
Alternatively, the two cd solution seems good. As far as I know, Debian also offers that solution, so it obviously works.
rokytnji
Well. As long as Debian supplies 32 bit packages and kernels. I guess base may have to go on a further diet.
Then I can waste my time on facebook answering clueless users on why they picked a empty iso as their first choice as a linux install. On their I7 12 gig ram gear. 32 bit no less.
Answer. Is usually speed. Nothing like installing a base iso and wonder why compiz aint working. Where is my spinning AntiX cube desktop.OOTB.Guys on facebook with airy fairy bug reports. No details what so ever. Like pulling teeth. Fun and games in systemd free land to boot.
Sure could use some help. Getting frazzled here. Some folks don’t how to join this forum. But for them. Facebook is easy.Back on track. Some users cannot handle PLOP. So. Yeah. CD is still needed. I figure small iso are your forte anti. Should be a breeze.
Here is hoping flattery gets me some where. 😀Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
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Only “The Man” Roki!
Great sense of humor!
As I also hinted, I am guessing that while there may be a few systems out there that could potentially use a small CD setup, I also think that the need is a pretty small community.
So far the only people who have “spoken up” appear to have other options available and they also seem to have some ability to do it.
Debian has a netinst and I believe that we do too. Since the need is small I suggest that we have a couple of people who can help the few get a system. Maybe those few (I might be one) who can generate a small CD or a couple of small CDs.
Any other ideas?
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Brian MasinickPPC
I was going to mention PLOP (https://www.plop.at/en/pbm6/home.html) but Roky beat me to it. It worked great on a now defunct desktop that was not even able to boot from USB. I burned a small CD-rom, booted from it and that was how I installed antiX 16 from USB on that machine…
My parents do own a still working laptop with CD-ROM only DRIVE- I believe it runs antiX 16… So, yeah, in a way, I still can use a cd-rom only installP.
PDP-8
Hmm – would using Busybox for everything allow you to cram more on the 650 /750mb iso size limitation work?
Kind of like Slitaz, TinyCore etc, but with the antiX magic for older boxes with less ram. (or freaks like me who like to run on modern gear too!)
seaken64
I remember back in the day installing Vector Linux using a boot floppy and then doing full install by swapping in a lot of floppies. Debian also does a net install. We can have a minimal installer that gets the user to the internet. Or, two CD’s, a “boot” CD and then a “Please insert CD #2 and hit enter to continue”.
I have a few CD only systems. But I either use Plop or move the hard disk to another machine to install then put it back in the CD-only machine. For most of us this is an inconvenience only, we can handle the tech part. But as Roki pointed out some folks will not be able to handle the tech.
I like the idea of limiting the installed software to keep under the 650/700 limit.
Seaken64
Brian Masinick
My Linux journey dates back to the Fall of 1995. Slackware Linux was the first adventure on a Micron 100 MHz PC. The PC actually came installed with Windows 3.11 with “Windows for Workgroups”.
Windows 95 had already been announced but was not installed yet.
I dual booted Slackware Linux and Windows for Workgroups, later changed it to Windows 95.
When I connected to my UNIX workstation at work I definitely preferred using Slackware Linux. It was fast and nimble on that low powered PC!
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