Legacy Athlon XP 1700+ and new AntiX

[Member mfmig2000]

Hello I am trying to update from AntiX 17 to a newer version on this 32 bits machine.
With AntiX 20 and AntiX 21 every time I am trying to boot up from DVD – it freezes after 2 minutes and some 30 seconds. It is not installing.
Can someone give me a piec of advice?
The whole configuration is Athhlon XP 1700+ with 1 GB DDR1 and videocard ATI Radeon 256 MB
Processor is a non SSE2 one – could it be due to this?
I really appreciate the AntiX 17 because I have experienced a good stability in the last 2 years.
By the way I can experiment as this is the garage PC

[Member user2022]

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Hello!

Base packages from debian 9 have support
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended
Debian 9 “Stretch” i386, amd64, armhf from 2022-07-01 to 2027-06-30
https://www.freexian.com/lts/extended/

I try use on P-III deb9 further 🙂

I think antix-17 will be work more faster that 20/21

PS:
I don’t know what new distribution can get for old computer

[Member mfmig2000]

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Thank you!I will try to run again with AntiX 22 Base on 32 Bits and also use the newer version AntiX 17 and see which can install.
Anyway I will try to apply all the tricks I have in order to have a relatively new OS.

[Member sybok]

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How about testing whether antiX-19 (based on Debian 10 = Buster) works?
Buster’s LTS’ EOL is June 2024, Extended LTS is June 2029.

antiX-19 series ISOs can be downloaded from ‘sourceforge’ (which had a bad reputation with some programs being tampered with); I did try two other mirrors but they did not contain it anymore.
You have two options to try: 1) 19.5 with 4.9 kernel (from 2022 = more up-to-date packages) and 2) 19.4 with 4.19 kernel (from 2021 = older packages).

https://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-linux/files/Final/antiX-19/

Since you can experiment, you may try to install antiX-19 in dual/multi-boot and try to upgrade it to Debian 11 a.k.a. Bullseye.
This would probably be lengthy and tedious but it could result into a working system similar to up-to-date antiX-21.

Also, did you check-sum the downloaded ISOs for integrity before creating the live DVD?

Other than that… you may search the forum for ISO/USB boot issues; I recall posts discussing passing boot-options manually in case of problems.

Source:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended

BTW, there is no (official) antiX-20; only antiX-21 and antiX-22 (at least so far).

• This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by sybok.

[Moderator christophe]

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I have an old Athlon XP from that era, non-SSE2, as well. I installed antiX 19 or 21 on it a while back (although I can’t remember which).
I was able to get it working well (for its age, that is). Now, for reasons I won’t go into here, I no longer have this setup, so I only can go on memory for this post…

Regarding your trying to boot antiX 19/21/22 on this computer:

Try removing the text boot code “splasht”. That may get it to reach the desktop.

Also, if that doesn’t work, try safe video mode or failsafe mode, on the boot screen.

I recall having trouble booting from the CD/DVD, like you did. I think I had to use one of those boot options.

So, try out those & see if it will boot all the way.

confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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I have a couple of REALLY old systems too; I got rid of two (still useful, but SLOW) 32-bit systems that I had for nearly a decade, only to pick up a couple more ancient ones, which most of the time I keep in a corner. They work, but after using any of my newer systems, they feel almost painfully slow to start, though that’s probably even what my professional workstation was like in the days that I worked on UNIX system utilities (mostly security and defect updates), also internationalization and localization additions and corrections.

Those days are so far in the distant past that many of the specific details have become “foggy” in my mind, except for memories of a few of my friends who worked for the same company. I will say one thing: even the desktop environment was lighter in image size and features than the full featured desktop environments today. Things like fvwm and fvwm-crystal have not changed very much, except for security updates, defect resolution and rare feature updates.

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[Member marcelocripe]

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Hello mfmig2000.

Welcome to antiX Linux and the forum.

I don’t know how to write in English and I send my texts translated by the internet translator. I hope you can understand everything, if your native language is not English, please translate my original text in Brazilian Portuguese language directly into your language with the help of internet translators.

When you are able to get antiX to boot on your computer, please read my real welcome that I usually do for all newcomers here on the forum. This reading will help you a lot.

The whole configuration is Athhlon XP 1700+ with 1 GB DDR1 and ATI Radeon 256 MB videocard
Processor is a non SSE2 one – could it be due to this?

I’ve been able to initialize antiX with the ISOs Remaster antiX 21 Full 32 and 64-bit with Kernel 4.4.0-296 on computers similar to yours. Download the 64bit ISO which has the name “remaster_antiX-21_sysvinit_x64_full_kernel_4.4.0-296_01-15-2022.iso”, it seems this processor is 64bit. If you manage to install this ISO, you can update antiX 21 to version 22 via the update.

marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)

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Olá mfmig2000.

Seja bem-vindo(a) ao antiX Linux e ao fórum.

Eu não sei escrever em idioma Inglês e envio os meus textos traduzidos pelo tradutor da internet. Eu espero que você consiga compreender tudo, caso o seu idioma nativo não seja o Inglês, por favor, traduza o meu texto original em idioma Português do Brasil diretamente para o seu idioma com a ajuda dos tradutores da internet.

Quando você conseguir fazer o antiX inicializar no seu computador, por favor, leia a minha verdadeira boas-vindas que eu costumo fazer para todos os recém chegados daqui do fórum. Esta leitura irá te ajudar muito.

The whole configuration is Athhlon XP 1700+ with 1 GB DDR1 and videocard ATI Radeon 256 MB
Processor is a non SSE2 one – could it be due to this?

Eu venho conseguindo inicializar o antiX com as ISOs Remaster antiX 21 Full 32 and 64-bit with Kernel 4.4.0-296 em computadores semelhantes ao seu. Baixe a ISO de 64 bits que possui o nome “remaster_antiX-21_sysvinit_x64_full_kernel_4.4.0-296_01-15-2022.iso”, ao que parece este processador é de 64 bits. Se você conseguir instalar esta ISO, você poderá atualizar o antiX 21 para chegar até a versão 22 por meio da atualização.

marcelocripe
(Texto original em idioma Português do Brasil)

[Member mfmig2000]

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Hello Marcelo thank you for the suggestion – Athlon XP 1700+ is a 32 Bits processor I will try also with your remastered image if the rest of the solutions are not working.

[Member seaken64]

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Have you tried the “safe” and “failsafe” choices when you try to boot from DVD? Christophe mentioned this above but I haven’t seen that you have tried these options yet.

I also have an Athlon XP based system and have successfully installed both antiX-21 and MX-21. I have also used Marcelo’s remaster successfully.

Do you have a working USB port? You should try Plop in the DVD and then try to boot from USB.

antiX Live DVD also has the option for loading from USB. You boot from the DVD but then set to FromUSB for the rest of the load.

You should try all of these options before we continue to troubleshoot. Even if you don’t get the results you wanted it can tell us a lot about what may be the issue.

Seaken64

[Member mfmig2000]

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hello Seaken64 – I will try it today as it is closely weekend time so I have this weekend time to try all these tricks – sorry I was not that fast in this week due to some work issues that I have to get done.
So today will be the start of new journey.

[Forum Admin rokytnji]

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Non sse2 cpu limits browser choices as far as I understand.

When I fought the Acer T180 single core desktop, For some reason. USB boot quit working. A puppy linux user mentioned to me.

Flash-drive manufacturers changed the firmware specs in the mid-2010s. Where they used to be seen AS flashdrives, older BIOS versions subsequently began to see them as a USB-HDD…..meaning they were expecting to find the “bridge card” all external HDDs use to convert the drive’s SATA output to a USB interface. Of course, flash drives don’t have it, do they?
And they call this “progress”. Just another way to persuade ya to chuck a perfectly good box in the trash, and shell out for summat new that like as not won’t work any better…..

Then the dvdrw got real picky till I cleaned the lens.
Finally shoe horned antiX 21 64 bit full iso off of dvdrw drive.
This was not 32 bit full iso. But same principle applies.

So on these older units. Dust tends to collect over time. Then I usually have to run the

$ more /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
CD-ROM information, Id: cdrom.c 3.20 2003/12/17

drive name:		sr0
drive speed:		24
drive # of slots:	1
Can close tray:		1
Can open tray:		1
Can lock tray:		1
Can change speed:	1
Can select disk:	0
Can read multisession:	1
Can read MCN:		1
Reports media changed:	1
Can play audio:		1
Can write CD-R:		1
Can write CD-RW:	1
Can read DVD:		1
Can write DVD-R:	1
Can write DVD-RAM:	1
Can read MRW:		1
Can write MRW:		1
Can write RAM:		1

To make sure I am using the right discs when burning a iso. Good luck.

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[Member mfmig2000]

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Hello and thank you a lot for all the advices – I have succeeded in installing the latest AntiX 22 base – that trick to disable Splash has worked well – so what I can say it is really snappy and due to limitation in RAM consumption is really make it a great job in revive my old garage PC!
I am even able to watch youtube with the SMTube + VLC at 360p which is great! However I am experience a little bit more minor stops than in MS Windows XP but I have now all the support and packages from AntiX.
I really like also that Palemoon Non SSE2 is in the software package and I can install in a few clicks!
what I like also best at AntiX is that installation does not take so much time like with Q4OS 32 Bits.
Thank you everyone!

[Member marcelocripe]

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I have succeeded in installing the latest AntiX 22 base

It’s great to know that the official ISO worked well for you.
Now, don’t forget to read this:

Regardless of your level of knowledge about GNU/Linux, I recommend you read these excellent tutorials created by @PPC:

What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.
How to: correctly use antiX forum.

When I first started using antiX, I read the tutorials that PPC created, these readings saved me a lot of time and I think it saves time for any new antiX user. Your time will not be wasted with these readings, everything will seem to be much easier than you could imagine. You won’t waste your time searching the internet or even creating new topics, on the contrary, you will gain a lot of time with these readings.

I recommend you try out desktops that have “zzz” in their name. I usually use zzz-IceWM or zzz-JWM or zzz-Fluxbox (each of these desktops has its own characteristics and consumes more or less resources), zzzFM will be the default file manager for your desktop, it it is very similar to the other file managers of other GNU/Linux distributions and Windows XP. To access other antiX workspaces, click on Menu, Desktop, Other Desktops and click on the workspace name, instantly the workspace will be loaded.

Whenever you need to ask for help or technical support in this forum, please explain in detail what is happening, don’t mince words, be thorough when writing, tell your computer characteristics such as make and model. If possible, post the result of the command $ inxi -Fxz from the terminal, copy and paste here in the message of the topic that you are going to create in this forum.

When you start a topic or participate with a post, remember to check the option “Notify me of follow-up replies via email”, by checking this option, you will receive a message in your email box whenever there are replies from topic in question.

[Member seaken64]

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Fantastic! Glad you got antiX 21/22 installed.

I pulled my Athlon XP out today to confirm that antiX 21 wworks. It does. But the internal WiFi does not work. I started up with MX-18 also and it is working fine with a USB dongle.

This old system is almost capable as a daily driver. I can also use SMTube and Streamtuner to watch YT videos.

Here’s the inxi when logged in to MX-18:

$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Kernel: 4.15.0-1-686-pae i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 
           Distro: MX-18.3_386 Continuum March 12  2017 base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: Pavilion zv5200 (PT277UA#ABA) v: F.34 
           serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Compal model: 08A0 v: 32.41 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard v: F.34 
           date: 12/23/2004 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 0% condition: N/A volts: 1.0 min: 14.8 
           model: Hewlett-Packard Primary status: Unknown 
CPU:       Info: Single Core model: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ bits: 32 type: UP arch: K8 rev: 0 cache: 
           L2: 256 KiB 
           flags: nx pae sse sse2 bogomips: 3191 
           Speed: 1600 MHz min/max: 800/1600 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 1600 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA NV17M [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: nouveau 
           v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: loaded: nouveau 
           unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1024x768~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI nv17 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 v: 1.2 Mesa 18.2.8 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: NVIDIA nForce3 Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_intel8x0 v: kernel 
           bus-ID: 00:06.0 
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.15.0-1-686-pae running: yes 
           Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 10.0 running: yes 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter driver: 8139too 
           v: 0.9.28 port: 7000 bus-ID: 02:01.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: N/A port: 7000 bus-ID: 02:02.0 
           Device-3: Belkin F5D7050 Wireless G Adapter v3000 [Ralink RT2571W] type: USB 
           driver: rt73usb bus-ID: 1-3:3 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 55.89 GiB used: 6.68 GiB (11.9%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Toshiba model: MK6025GAS size: 55.89 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 16.88 GiB used: 6.67 GiB (39.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7 
Swap:      ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 2.45 GiB used: 7.5 MiB (0.3%) dev: /dev/sda5 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 51.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 155 Uptime: 2h 4m Memory: 1.23 GiB used: 769.9 MiB (61.3%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Packages: 1937 Shell: Bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.3.06 

Note that this version of the Athlon XP supports SSE2. I use SeaMonkey mostly. But Palemoon is also good.

Seaken64

[Member madibi]

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@seaken64

seaken64 wrote:

Device-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN vendor: Hewlett-Packard
driver: N/A port: 7000 bus-ID: 02:02.0

Have you tried what anticapitalista suggests in the following post?
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/fix-broadcom-b43-problems/#post-75804

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