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lubod
@anticapitalista
Thank you for the additional info on Falkon.
Shame that it is now anything BUT lean and mean! Besides what you mention, the lack of a new enough QT5 on antix 17, and the new, much longer list of dependencies, there is one more deal breaker, at least for old hardware: Only 64 bit QT5 (>5.9.0) is provided at the qt site, and compiling yourself reportedly takes hours, and fails anyway! And that is the minimum QT5 required for Falkon since version 3.0 in 2017!
Qupzilla 1.8.9 from the repos OTOH works nicely on antix 17 32 bit! Even trying to find the last Qupzilla before it became Falkon, is an exercise in frustration! I came upon the source for Qupzilla 2.2.6, and it requires QT 5.8 (Stretch/antix 17 have 5.7.1)! I don’t give up easy, I’m looking at Qupzilla 2.1.2 source, which only requires QT 5.7 and is two years newer than version 1.8.9 from repos!
On another note, I’ll be moving even the odd 32 bit system to antix 19.1 when I can, just to stay more current. I see 17.x is supported until 2022, but unless something absolutely can’t run in 19.1, why wait? 🙂 If speed/RAM usage is not much worse. I noticed as your announcements warn, RAM usage is up a bit, but still usable. Hopefully that is true of CPU load as well.
BTW This is what happens if you try to install falkon on antiX-19. A load of kde (junk) gets installed. Not good.
apt install falkon Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: libaribb24-0 libbasicusageenvironment1 libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdca0 libdvbpsi10 libebml4v5 libfam0 libgroupsock8 libixml10 libkate1 libkf5archive5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkwalletbackend5-5 liblirc-client0 liblivemedia64 libmatroska6v5 libmicrodns0 libnfs12 libopenmpt-modplug1 libphonon4qt5-4 libplacebo7 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libprotobuf-lite17 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5webengine-data libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libre2-5 libsdl-image1.2 libspatialaudio0 libspeexdsp1 libupnp13 libusageenvironment3 libvlc5 libvlccore9 libwebpdemux2 libxcb-xv0 phonon4qt5 phonon4qt5-backend-vlc vlc-data vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output Suggested packages: fam lirc phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer libdvdcss2 Recommended packages: libkf5config-bin libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5iconthemes-bin kwayland-integration qtwayland5 libvlc-bin libproxy-tools The following NEW packages will be installed: falkon libaribb24-0 libbasicusageenvironment1 libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdca0 libdvbpsi10 libebml4v5 libfam0 libgroupsock8 libixml10 libkate1 libkf5archive5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkwalletbackend5-5 liblirc-client0 liblivemedia64 libmatroska6v5 libmicrodns0 libnfs12 libopenmpt-modplug1 libphonon4qt5-4 libplacebo7 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libprotobuf-lite17 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5webengine-data libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libre2-5 libsdl-image1.2 libspatialaudio0 libspeexdsp1 libupnp13 libusageenvironment3 libvlc5 libvlccore9 libwebpdemux2 libxcb-xv0 phonon4qt5 phonon4qt5-backend-vlc vlc-data vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output 0 upgraded, 75 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 49.4 MB of archives. After this operation, 203 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]Restore older computers to working order.
Computers everyone else insists are obsolete and useless.Current recordholder:
Generic Pentium III 600 Mhz with 512Mb RAM and 10Gb HD
Working on Cyrix M2 333 Mhz with 64Mb RAM and OS on IDE to SD card 4Gblubod
@masinick
Thanks I will check it out.
Running from:
inxi -Fz
System:
Host: antix Kernel: 5.4.7-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: IceWM 1.6.3+git20191202
Distro: antiX-19-runit_x64-base Marielle Franco 9 December 2019
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 5558 v: 01 serial: <filter>
Mobo: Dell model: 086DKN v: A00 serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: Dell
v: A04 date: 08/06/2015 …I just confirmed that Brave is available in our package installer.
Should be available from other antiX builds too.Restore older computers to working order.
Computers everyone else insists are obsolete and useless.Current recordholder:
Generic Pentium III 600 Mhz with 512Mb RAM and 10Gb HD
Working on Cyrix M2 333 Mhz with 64Mb RAM and OS on IDE to SD card 4GbModdIt
Hallo and welcome lubod: you write, Firefox is an awful pig with number 1, even with no/few plugins!
I can leave only 2 or 3 tabs open, and in a few hours, it has eaten over 1Gb of RAM and the computer slows to a crawl and/or freezes, requiring a restart.You can, with a little work stop firefox eating ram. Mozilla is trying to improve your user experience. :-).
I am just doing nothing and watching waterfox exhibiting the behavior you describe. My modded FF72 with no script and in conjunction with using a pretty big etc/hosts file to block ads is pretty easy on memory and works without issues on most sites. On this site ff + OS with icewm is @ about 430 mb.
OS with icewm and Iceweasel now @ 620 to 650mb if I do nothing at all.Thread on making firefox more secure can help, the quieter you make the fox the less processing power and memory it needs. Pocket, Topsites, predictive loading snippets and other convenience features use memory.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 3 months ago by ModdIt.
lubod
@moddit
Thanks for the information, I will try to do something similar. Seems to me at many sites, the functionality (for example the gmail login) and the bloat (ads, often with video that autoplays, with muted sound, somewhere on the page just below or above where you are viewing are tied so having one without the other is extremely difficult if not impossible. Whether that is bad website design (incompetence) or intentional (malicious) is subjective, a matter of opinion. Perhaps both!
As a follow up to my earlier post, I’m reverting to Qupzilla from the repo. Installed 2.1.2 from https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=home%3Astevenpusser%3Aqupzilla&package=qupzilla (it has a package for Debian 9). I am grateful to the packager for making it available. He also maintains Palemoon if I recall. Sadly it is only better in the sense of the newer version number. In most other ways it is worse than 1.8.9. Had to set proxy to automatic, it defaulted to manual and would not route. Much slower to load the same pages, and fails to login to gmail, which the older one can. And to think, the biggest change is the older one uses (Apple) Webkit to render, and this one uses QtWebEngine, which is Chromium based. And it is worse with gmail. The irony. But the repo is nice it has wine 5.0 stable for Stretch and other packages.
Hallo and welcome lubod: you write, Firefox is an awful pig with number 1, even with no/few plugins!
I can leave only 2 or 3 tabs open, and in a few hours, it has eaten over 1Gb of RAM and the computer slows to a crawl and/or freezes, requiring a restart.You can, with a little work stop firefox eating ram. Mozilla is trying to improve your user experience. :-).
I am just doing nothing and watching waterfox exhibiting the behavior you describe. My modded FF72 with no script and in conjunction with using a pretty big etc/hosts file to block ads is pretty easy on memory and works without issues on most sites. On this site ff + OS with icewm is @ about 430 mb.
OS with icewm and Iceweasel now @ 620 to 650mb if I do nothing at all.Thread on making firefox more secure can help, the quieter you make the fox the less processing power and memory it needs. Pocket, Topsites, predictive loading snippets and other convenience features use memory.
Restore older computers to working order.
Computers everyone else insists are obsolete and useless.Current recordholder:
Generic Pentium III 600 Mhz with 512Mb RAM and 10Gb HD
Working on Cyrix M2 333 Mhz with 64Mb RAM and OS on IDE to SD card 4Gb
anticapitalista
Bet you’re glad now that antiX-17 installs the older quipzilla version 🙂
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
lubod
@anticapitalista
Yes, I am. Thank you. I know I’m chasing a unicorn, a browser that is feature rich and fast on old hardware. But as long as it can be removed with no hassle, I’ll try it at least once. Especially if it has been updated since my last attempt, but still has similar system requirements. Sadly, it seems the road to bloat began between 1.8.9 and 2.1.2, and got even worse with 3.0.
I have used palemoon (the regular SSE2 version), so I expect the nonSSE2 will be similar. That is good for the requirements upthread.
Restore older computers to working order.
Computers everyone else insists are obsolete and useless.Current recordholder:
Generic Pentium III 600 Mhz with 512Mb RAM and 10Gb HD
Working on Cyrix M2 333 Mhz with 64Mb RAM and OS on IDE to SD card 4Gbolsztyn
BTW This is what happens if you try to install falkon on antiX-19. A load of kde (junk) gets installed. Not good.
Clearly I would not want permanent KDE infestation in such optimized system as antiX…
Therefore a general question to the team:
Would this be a viable workaround to use appimage to run some programs that bring along junk with them, which is alien to antiX infrastructure? If I understand these appimage’s are self-contained and such junk they are dependent on will not sip through their container and polute antiX infrastructure?
I would appreciate some thoughts…Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersAnonymous
You may also try GNUIcecat browser from Free Software Foundation.In antiX,MX and Void I always use Icecat.You can download .tar.bz pack from
GNUIcecat.No need to install.Just extract .tar.bz pack and use.
manyroads
This may help…
https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"Interestin thread, thanks to all.
Just started to look at Ice cat.
Just unpacked: In icecat/browser/features there are 9 hidden extensions,
activity-stream@mozilla.org, aushelper@mozilla.org, followonsearch@mozilla.org, formautofill@mozilla.org, icecat@getpocket.com, jaws-esr@mozilla.org, onboarding@mozilla.org, screenshots@mozilla.org, webcompat@mozilla.orgAs on Quantum removed all. That is my choice others may want those “improvements in user experience”.
Jaws was a new extension to me.From
https://blog.freedomscientific.com/important-information-for-users-of-mozilla-firefox/To give you a browsing experience that is the most flexible available, as well as
being intuitive and accurate,The screenreader JAWS behaves a bit like an impatient
child on a long car journey. It asks Firefox many questions on a regular basis,
including “are we there yet”.Slows down browsing. Seems to have been fixed in latest quantum versions- or it is not included..
Before first start: Disconnected from Internet,start to look around.
Duck is set as default search engine. Nice
Data reporting set to disabled. Both Shield and Normandy.
health reporting disabled
Geo off.
Beacon Enabled. recommend disable
Device Sensors Enabled recommend disable
Show topsites on recommend disable
Crash reporter disabled. Good because can send complete memory dumps.
Dom storage is enabled leaves supercookies working, I disable the setting
Security.ssl.error reporting enabled = Telemetry recommend disable
Security tls version min is set to 1 = Broken CipherToolkit Telemetry is locked to enabled in about:config
toolkit.telemetry server has no entry, in new versions that leads to a fallback so better set to 0.0.0.0
privacy sanitize on shutdown was off I switch to onWill give it some more tenderness, install no script and see how it works for me.
First impression is memory usage slightly higher than latest Moddit quantum. Both 64 bit as only platform
available today.seaken64
I tried to use Qupzilla this week in my antiX 17.4 install on this P-III (posting from this old computer now, using antiX-19 and SeaMonkey). It just keeps crashing. I installed it from Synaptic using the default repos. This happened to me the last time I tried it, along with Midori. I just can’t get good results with those two browsers.
SeaMonkey remains the best browser for me on my old P-III. I will try Qupzilla/Falcon on my P-4HT on antiX 19.1.
Seaken64
lubod
@seaken64
My personal observations on topic. Qupzilla and Midori from the repos work tolerably well on a 32 bit 17.4 install with a mobile low power CPU (Nokia Booklet 3G, see specs below), and 1 Gb RAM.
Output of inxi -F:
$ inxi -F
System:
Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.160-antix.2-486-smp i686 bits: 32 Desktop: Fluxbox 1.3.5
Distro: antiX-17.4.1_386-base Helen Keller 28 March 2019
Machine:
Type: Portable System: Nokia product: Nokia Booklet 3G
v: 00000000000000000000000000000040 serial: <root required>
Mobo: Nokia model: NYU00 v: REFERENCE serial: <root required> BIOS: Nokia v: 2.00
date: 03/05/2010
Battery:
ID-1: BAT1 charge: 3.6 Wh condition: 5.6/56.8 Wh (10%)
CPU:
Topology: Single Core model: Intel Atom Z530 bits: 32 type: MT L2 cache: 512 KiB
Speed: 1333 MHz min/max: 800/1600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1600 2: 1333
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel System Hub Graphics driver: gma500 v: N/A
Display: server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1280×720~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:
Device-1: Intel System Hub HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.9.160-antix.2-486-smp
Network:
Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR928X Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:23:08:df:99:8c
IF-ID-1: hso0 state: down mac: N/A
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 111.79 GiB used: 10.73 GiB (9.6%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: SUV500MS120G size: 111.79 GiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 10.76 GiB used: 5.16 GiB (47.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: /home size: 21.53 GiB used: 5.58 GiB (25.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 33.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info:
Processes: 139 Uptime: 10h 35m Memory: 993.5 MiB used: 264.2 MiB (26.6%) Shell: bash
inxi: 3.0.36So If they crash or don’t work, welcome to the twilight zone. Sorry, I grew up in LA, CA, USA and I am rather sarcastic, not because I want to contradict or hurt you, but quite the opposite. I want to help, even when I write something superficially hostile, I want to help.
In the antix 19.1 repos, qupzilla is replaced per Debian Buster, by falkon, which is BLOAT, with a capital B. almost 100 KDE package dependencies, and slower too. The version of midori in the repo for 17.4 is 0.51. I compiled 7.0 (I think they moved the decimal point and did little else) and it works, slower, on antix 17.4, 32 bit. But unlike the repo version, which fails Gmail, 7.0 works (slowly). Pick your poison: sloth or incompatibility. I think there is midori in 19.1, feel free to correct me. Uphill battle. Fighting the tides. 🙂 Better to try and fail, than to have never tried at all.
I tried to use Qupzilla this week in my antiX 17.4 install on this P-III (posting from this old computer now, using antiX-19 and SeaMonkey). It just keeps crashing. I installed it from Synaptic using the default repos. This happened to me the last time I tried it, along with Midori. I just can’t get good results with those two browsers.
SeaMonkey remains the best browser for me on my old P-III. I will try Qupzilla/Falcon on my P-4HT on antiX 19.1.
Seaken64
- This reply was modified 3 years, 3 months ago by lubod.
Restore older computers to working order.
Computers everyone else insists are obsolete and useless.Current recordholder:
Generic Pentium III 600 Mhz with 512Mb RAM and 10Gb HD
Working on Cyrix M2 333 Mhz with 64Mb RAM and OS on IDE to SD card 4Gbandfree
Just informing you that Falkon doesn’t work on this P4 laptop. A black window opens and the system crashes. I don’t know if it’s because of the 4.4 kernel I use, if it needs headers, or sth else, but I don’t really care. This is enough for me to get rid of it:
BTW This is what happens if you try to install falkon on antiX-19. A load of kde (junk) gets installed. Not good.
- This reply was modified 3 years ago by andfree.
ximru
Just like to add netsurf to the list.
I use it to replace elinks and dillo.
Runs with low ram and is up to date and stable. and in repos.
Actually use for a lot of my casual browsing, without java and other flash type stuff.
I have 2gb ram on this machine so use firefox when necessary.
I just don’t think it’s realistic to expect a P111 to be a complete internet machine, although still very functional with a system like AntixBobC
Brave took 559 mb to bring up this screen. Falkon was 357 mb. Just FYI, those are 64 bit.
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