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  • #25106
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    male
    male

    A few days ago I unsubscribed from the MX forum. I wrote there among other things:

    I can’t stand the “political stupefaction” in this forum any longer and therefore asked to delete my account.
    I wish the users all the best.

    https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=41039&start=140#p517553

    Unfortunately the responsible administrators cannot or do not want to change this. Instead, they delete user posts without comment. They will probably never recognize the seriousness of the situation.
    tkashkin wrote

    My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea.
    I may not be able to continue maintaining GameHub in future.

    https://github.com/tkashkin/GameHub/issues/289

    Male is the capital of the Maldives and its wonderful people.

    #25109
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    eugen-b
    eugen-b

    Well, that’s how their forum rules are – no discussions about politics.
    It’s a good measure to save work for moderators. Especially now when they are at the top of Distrowatch popularity/curiosity list.
    If you knowingly violate their rules don’t expect my sympathy.

    #25122
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    VW
    VW

    My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea.

    Things could be worse; you might have been living in California or Baltimore

    You should be thankful that you live in a rat-free environment.

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

    Mark Twain

    #25123
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    male
    male

    @eugen-b
    Thank you for your opinion.

    Their rules are double standards that are unbearable.

    It is not true that they do not tolerate “political discussions” in the forum. Cheap, libellous agitation against Russia and its people is tolerated. The contradiction, on the other hand, is deleted without comment.

    And, GitHub is also such a double standard. I don’t register there to bring simple Conky-configurations to the user, if I swore off WINDOWS 10 years ago.

    but, it’s good…

    Male is the capital of the Maldives and its wonderful people.

    #25124
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    eugen-b
    eugen-b

    Cheap, libellous agitation against Russia and its people is tolerated. The contradiction, on the other hand, is deleted without comment.

    Can you give an example? Because I found none with forum search https://forum.mxlinux.org/search.php?keywords=Russia (One joke about Soviet Russia I din’t understand, maybe.)

    I think they actually censor any posts about politics. I remember I wrote jokingly that Obama wasn’t that bad – whatever – and got a severe warning. 😀

    #25130
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    fungalnet
    fungalnet

    Here is my take on a-political social forums and how they breed fascism slowly and surely.
    https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/273

    You can come over and talk politics there, I will not delete anything unless it is huge pieces of repetitive spam trying to block readers from following a discussion. I have even left neo-nazi threatening posts on there telling me that “they are coming for us and we will drown like rats in our own blood”.

    The issue about GitHub is very relevant to any linux and it is a serious subject, how can it not be political?
    The word is out that they are removing accounts of “Iranian citizens”, and it is scary to consider how would githab “have” citizenship information on their registered users. Practically half the linux community is from one place living in another. When did registration require proof of citizenship. Even proof of identity is far fetched. So this makes it scary.

    It is also scary that an increasing amount of linux distributions will have MS compile their binaries. Would this be a political subject up for discussion.

    About Crimea, and “the right” to use github. What part of the word totalitarianism don’t you understand? You are either an obedient dependent or you will be exterminated.

    #25131
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    manyroads
    manyroads

    Freedom is always ugly but the alternative is catastrophic:

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

    Freedom of speech means Freedom to speak…

    Edit: a small tangent from HL Mencken:
    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_129796

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    #25148
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    Koo
    Koo

    You must be so careful these days talking about Governments they have spies all over the place. Plus it could bring unwanted attention to the MX & antiX community. We are here for Linux and only Linux..

    #25150
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    eugen-b
    eugen-b

    Freedom of speech means Freedom to speak…

    Does freedom of speech imply freedom to make any noise? Even fungalnet has to silence spammers. Who knows, maybe they consider their spam as a political statement, too?
    Apart from freedom of speech there are also different rights. Like the right to be left alone (with spam, politics, religion etc.) The original word “forum” might suggest it is a public place where you have to accept more freedom of speech, but the way internet forums work they can be made a more private area with house rules.

    It is not true that they do not tolerate “political discussions” in the forum. Cheap, libellous agitation against Russia and its people is tolerated. The contradiction, on the other hand, is deleted without comment.

    Again, if there is a forum rule that prohibits political discussion and you detected a political statement (did you? any examples?), you have the right to ask that the statement gets deleted but you don’t have the right to make a contrary political statement.

    The word is out that they are removing accounts of “Iranian citizens”, and it is scary to consider how would githab “have” citizenship information on their registered users.

    They will probably mean “residents” not “citizen”. But if someone will fill in Iranian as citizenship during registration then they could possibly be denied to use the service.

    About Crimea, and “the right” to use github. What part of the word totalitarianism don’t you understand? You are either an obedient dependent or you will be exterminated.

    It depends on the point of view and sometimes on the level of information what you describe as good or bad. The people I care about in Crimea (and Iran) are willing to take the hardship which comes with sanctions against the totalitarian regime that they are being oppressed by. They will even ask for more severe sanctions.

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    #25151
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    VW
    VW

    You could use Tails to get around your problem.

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

    Mark Twain

    #25153
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    eugen-b
    eugen-b

    You could use Tails to get around your problem.

    Or a VPN. People who I care about will do and they won’t complain about any form of sanctions. Those who want to complain about sanctions because they support the regimes which are under sanctions will find an occasion to voice their political opinion / agenda.

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    #25159
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    male
    male

    eugen-b wrote

    Can you give an example?

    https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51718#p517244

    That’s what I wrote:
    “You must have copied that bullshit from Mueller or Clinton.” The forum software replaced the word “bullshit” with xxx characters.

    The second deleted post was this (I was now prepared…)

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    Male is the capital of the Maldives and its wonderful people.

    #25161
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    eugen-b
    eugen-b

    It looks to me like handy and JayM were joking, writing ironically and sarcastically and you got triggered.

    #25170
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    fungalnet
    fungalnet
    #25172
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    fungalnet
    fungalnet

    But if someone will fill in Iranian as citizenship during registration then they could possibly be denied to use the service.

    When have you seen citizenship being asked for on a registration form to a free service?
    I haven’t.

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