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  • #21821
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    Avatarskidoo

    My theory is (see disclaimer!) that you are editing the default values of the default theme and they DID change but, you CAN’T see that change because you’re probably currently using another theme atop of it.

    customizing and managing iceWM themes is is quite a ball of yarn…

    I will start a new topic for discussing it ~~ can’t write a howto in one sitting, that would take 10,000 words, minimum (3 full typewritten pages)

    edit:
    okay, hopefully the bolded portion of this post clarifies “what should be edited, and where”
    #post-21839

    • This reply was modified 6 months ago by skidoo.
    #21944
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    Avatarkaye

    One more thing guys.

    I think in my desktop computer running antiX, the Trash folder is in /home/user/.local/share

    My laptop running the same version of antiX does not have the Trash folder in the same directory.

    Any ideas?

    #21948
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    AvatarBobC

    Well, there is this command that you can run from a terminal that will tell you (and if you paste it here, us as well) what kind of machine it is and what os version you are running. Paste in the results and it will make it easier for people to help. Also, it would help to know what you loaded after the operating system itself. Maybe something you loaded decided to change where it puts that.

    inxi -Fxz

    A second option would be to just download something unique and then delete it, and then go see if you can find it with mc. That will tell you where its at.

    #21949
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    Avatarskidoo

    ./.local/share/Trash
    cd ~
    find . -iname trash
    ^——-> ./.local/share/Trash

    Back a few months ago, I was shocked to discover that my system had a “trash”.
    IIRC, antiX17 did not pre-install the spacem corbielle(?) trash plugin,
    and my tweaked version of rox-filer definitely does not use a trashbin, so how did it get there? I chalked it up to the fact that I’ve installed various file managers for testing and one of those file managers may have autocreated it upon regognizing its absence. Which file manager? xfe? sunflower?

    I was “shocked”, b/c unknowingly I had been persisting the Trash contents
    (my persist-save-exclude.list doesn’t consider Trash; I had presumed it would be non-existent)

    Reading this forum topic reminded me to check:
    /usr/local/share/excludes/live-remaster-exclude.list
    /usr/local/share/excludes/general-remaster-exclude.list
    nope… neither of those mention “Trash” (but the “iso-snapshot-exclude.list” does)

    Another possibility:
    The FileChooser dialog of some programs also provides a right-click menu “Delete” action… maybe that’s how it can wind up being “autocreated, if missing”

    #21952
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    Avatarkaye

    Regarding the missing trash folder, I don’t know if I did this correctly so please tell me.

    In the terminal, I navigated to the root directory by executing “cd ..” twice.

    I executed the command sudo find . -type d -name "Trash"

    Nothing happened. The prompt just re-appeared again.

    skidoo, I did not install any file manager.

    BobC, here is the output:

    $ inxi -Fxz
    System:
      Host: homet-01 Kernel: 4.9.160-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
      v: 6.3.0 Desktop: IceWM 1.4.2 
      Distro: antiX-17.4.1_x64-full Helen Keller 28 March 2019 
      base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
    Machine:
      Type: Desktop Mobo: N/A model: Wolfdale1333-D667. serial: <filter> 
      BIOS: American Megatrends v: P1.40 date: 03/14/2008 
    CPU:
      Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Penryn 
      rev: A L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
      flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 11973 
      Speed: 2993 MHz min/max: N/A Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2993 2: 2993 
    Graphics:
      Device-1: Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics vendor: ASRock driver: i915 v: kernel 
      bus ID: 00:02.0 
      Display: server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
      OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945G v: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 direct render: Yes 
    Audio:
      Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio vendor: ASRock 
      driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
      Device-2: Tenx type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus ID: 2-1:3 
      Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.9.160-antix.1-amd64-smp 
    Network:
      Device-1: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet 
      vendor: ASRock RTL810xE driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d800 bus ID: 01:00.0 
      IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
      Device-2: Ralink RT5370 Wireless Adapter type: USB driver: rt2800usb bus ID: 1-6:6 
      IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
    Drives:
      Local Storage: total: 960.41 GiB used: 21.39 GiB (2.2%) 
      ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1SB10C size: 931.51 GiB 
      ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DT 101 G2 size: 28.90 GiB 
    Partition:
      ID-1: / size: 36.17 GiB used: 3.63 GiB (10.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7 
      ID-2: /home size: 1.91 GiB used: 315.9 MiB (16.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8 
      ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda9 
    Sensors:
      System Temperatures: cpu: 51.0 C mobo: N/A 
      Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
    Info:
      Processes: 169 Uptime: 39m Memory: 2.93 GiB used: 1.01 GiB (34.5%) Init: SysVinit 
      runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.29 

    I’m not sure what I loaded after the operating system. I guess the following were what I did after the fresh installation:
    1. showed cpu status on the taskbar
    2. showed memory status on the taskbar
    3. showed acpi temperature on the tooltip of the cpu status
    4. downloaded and opened gkrellm
    5. moved taskbar on top of screen
    6. changed the time format
    7. removed the ‘unplug removable device’ button from the toolbar
    8. installed vlc player, gimp, freecad
    9. installed epson driver and iscan
    10. activated the shortcut key of Ctrl-Alt-T to open terminal
    11. edited conky to include cpu temperature

    That’s about it.

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 4 weeks ago by kaye.
    #21956
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    Avatarkaye

    skidoo I did not install any file managers.

    BobC, here is the output:

    $ inxi -Fxz
    System:
      Host: mydesktop Kernel: 4.9.160-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
      v: 6.3.0 Desktop: IceWM 1.4.2 
      Distro: antiX-17.4.1_x64-full Helen Keller 28 March 2019 
      base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
    Machine:
      Type: Desktop Mobo: N/A model: Wolfdale1333-D667. serial: <filter> 
      BIOS: American Megatrends v: P1.40 date: 03/14/2008 
    CPU:
      Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Penryn 
      rev: A L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
      flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 11973 
      Speed: 2993 MHz min/max: N/A Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2993 2: 2993 
    Graphics:
      Device-1: Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics vendor: ASRock driver: i915 v: kernel 
      bus ID: 00:02.0 
      Display: server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
      OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945G v: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 direct render: Yes 
    Audio:
      Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio vendor: ASRock 
      driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
      Device-2: Tenx type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus ID: 2-1:3 
      Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.9.160-antix.1-amd64-smp 
    Network:
      Device-1: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet 
      vendor: ASRock RTL810xE driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d800 bus ID: 01:00.0 
      IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
      Device-2: Ralink RT5370 Wireless Adapter type: USB driver: rt2800usb bus ID: 1-6:6 
      IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
    Drives:
      Local Storage: total: 960.41 GiB used: 21.43 GiB (2.2%) 
      ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1SB10C size: 931.51 GiB 
      ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DT 101 G2 size: 28.90 GiB 
    Partition:
      ID-1: / size: 36.17 GiB used: 3.63 GiB (10.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7 
      ID-2: /home size: 1.91 GiB used: 353.9 MiB (18.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8 
      ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda9 
    Sensors:
      System Temperatures: cpu: 54.0 C mobo: N/A 
      Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
    Info:
      Processes: 170 Uptime: 1h 18m Memory: 2.93 GiB used: 1.24 GiB (42.4%) Init: SysVinit 
      runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.29 
    #21957
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    capreacaprea

    If you didn’t install any file-managers, neither on the desktop nor on your laptop, then there shouldn’t be any trash, because antiX by default comes without a trash.
    If I remember right, you asked for installing pcmanfm.

    #21962
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    Avatarskidoo

    If you inspect the contents of
    ~/.local/share/Trash/files
    and
    ~/.local/share/Trash/info/*.trashinfo
    seeing what’s there (which trashed files, DateModified, original locations)
    might jog your memory regarding what you were doing, what program you were using at the time.

    #21963
    AvatarAnonymous

    Just to make it easier to understand:

    I think in my desktop computer running antiX, the Trash folder is in /home/user/.local/share
    My laptop running the same version of antiX does not have the Trash folder in the same directory.
    Any ideas?

    Important: some file managers offer only single default option and some can get configured.

    We’ve got 3 cases and 1 exception.

    1st case:
    File manager offers 2 possibilities: ‘delete’ and ‘move to trash’.
    That’s usually the case with Nemo (Cinnamon) and Thunar (XFCE).
    You always get the ‘trash’ folder in ‘.local’.
    (See screenshot)

    2nd case:
    File manager offers only ‘move to trash’.
    That’s usually the case with Dolphin (KDE Plasma) and Nautilus (Gnome3).
    You always get the ‘trash’ folder in ‘.local’.

    3rd case:
    File manager offers only ‘delete’.
    That’s usually the case with PCmanFM, ROX and SpaceFM (–> antiX).
    You never get the ‘trash’ folder in ‘.local’.

    Exception:
    Some Applications/Programs have their own default settings, which might move something to trash that actually shouldn’t go there because the file manager doesn’t have that option.
    In that case, the ‘trash’ will be created under ‘.local’ on some systems where one would actually not expect to have it (–> antiX).
    If you want to avoid having ‘trash’, you’d like to avoid deleting from that application/program that’s causing it.

    ‘That’s all folks!’
    Bugs Bunny
    😉

    #21965
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    Avatarskidoo

    caprea, I hear ya…
    but checking now, I find “trashed” items as recent as May 18, 2019 !

    My current theory:
    many documents open across various mousepad, geany, pluma, leafpad windows…
    …occasionally I’ll find a geany warning “file has changed on disk. Reload?”
    ( or. some. scenario. like. that. )
    Depending on how you respond to those prompts, the text editor may “trash” a copy of the a document.

    edit:
    Aha! Following my own “jog yer memory” advice, I’ve tested and confirmed one trash-generating culprit:

    meld program
    using the 2-pane DirectoryComparison view, I’ll occasionally use the right-click “Delete” action
    (tested, just now)
    delete ~/.local/share/Trash
    then launch meld and perform a “Delete” action
    result: meld recreates Trash and moves the moves the affected file.

    ! meld preferences do not expose a control to disable this behavior.
    Maybe (right now, I’m not gonna dig) the meld behavior is settable via dconf or gconf

    #21966
    AvatarAnonymous

    ‘That’s all folks!’
    Bugs Bunny
    😉

    #21974
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    AvatarPPC

    ‘That’s all folks!’
    Bugs Bunny
    😉

    NoClue- this is the best quote ever… Also my kind of humor

    P.

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 4 weeks ago by anticapitalista.
    #21976
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    Avatarkaye

    This thread is getting to long so this would be my last random question to add to it.

    It really should be the first thing that I asked you guys.

    Is it normal that after a fresh install of antiX, installing from the terminal is impossible until I execute “sudo apt update” first ?

    $ sudo apt install gimp
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    Package gimp is not available, but is referred to by another package.
    This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
    is only available from another source
    
    E: Package 'gimp' has no installation candidate
    • This reply was modified 5 months, 4 weeks ago by kaye.
    • This reply was modified 5 months, 4 weeks ago by kaye.
    #21980
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    AvatarPPC

    hi

    This thread is getting to long so this would be my last random question to add to it.

    It really should be the first thing that I asked you guys.

    Is it normal that after a fresh install of antiX, installing from the terminal is impossible until I execute “sudo apt update” first ?

    $ sudo apt install gimp
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree       
    Reading state information... Done
    Package gimp is not available, but is referred to by another package.
    This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
    is only available from another source
    
    E: Package 'gimp' has no installation candidate

    I don’t believe this is “normal”. In Gimp particular case, maybe you should try installing it via Control Centre- System – Package installer- you have “gimp full” and “gimp basic” available there. Try that and see it you get the same error.
    It’s always good to have your system up to date, anyway, so yes, update antiX first, then try to install stuff, it’s a good practice when using any OS…

    P.

    #21987
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    XecureXecure

    This thread is getting to long so this would be my last random question to add to it.

    It really should be the first thing that I asked you guys.

    Is it normal that after a fresh install of antiX, installing from the terminal is impossible until I execute “sudo apt update” first ?

    I may be mistaken, but this, to me, looks completely normal. If your system has never updated the apt list, when trying to install any application, the system will not know where to get it from, not even if your already installed applications are up to date. When you first open Synaptic, if you don’t update the apt list you will only be able to see what apps you already have installed, nothing else.

    It would be the same as if you wanted to buy something through a phone call but you have no idea what number to call. You first need an updated phonebook before you are able to call for a delivery company to get your desired appliances and furniture you want to decorate your home/computer.

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