LXDE – Myth Busters – The Movie 5*

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Just for the fun of it I made my first ever video on my old HP G60 laptop… 🙂

To poke fun at those who repeat that tired mantra about how SLOW and SLUGGISH LXDE is. Also saying how badly Xorg affects their computers. lol 🙂

So I give you Myth Busters the Movie>

https://c.gmx.co.uk/@778668705750974804/GG-s3fPkSdazwDPMlWBahg

This screencapture was created on my old HP G60 core duo running AntiX-22 Full; unsupported LXDE with LO, Gimp and of course all the screencapture and editing apps. The setup is nothing special – all info has previously been shown.

ALL will see that the resources – from the resource monitor when in view, are fine and that my old HP isn’t struggling in the slightest – hope you like the fast scroll actions too – no problemo! What next? – A Gimp tutorial video 🙂

Then you can watch Bob’s movie and be amazed at how slow his setup is….

https://youtu.be/BrJk6qCw1gQ

…. I was gobsmacked at how Bob’s machine was struggling to make a video ( I did not even know what a screencast was ) looked like everything resource wise was maxing out in the slow zone.

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As with that Drawing app; the screencast maker was so simple too as was the editor – child’s play – easy peasy. Not sure why people are saying otherwise? So I made my first video on this old HP but upon playing it back my mouse movements for panel edits and the edits were so fast that I realized that it was impossible for others to follow unless played back at 10fps or constant pause and peek..!
I had to train myself to go slow and wind in that mouse acceleration but you know how it is trying to adopt another modus operandi – still it is what it is – ..?

You will all see that it is a world apart from Bob’s screencast not only in panel editing but at the speed in which the edits takes place. Even slowing down my mouse actions by a factor of three you can see that my setup on the old HP is just so fast under Xorg, nouveau and that unsupported LXDE desktop 🙂

Suspect you could hear me lol at those who should no better write that LXDE is slow and sluggish 🙂 🙂 🙂 What a Joke – suspect they and ALL can now see unequivocally just how wrong they are after watching my AntiX-22 LXDE setup in action.

So apart from the fun of it what can we learn and take away from this Myth Buster Movie..? Obviously that unsupported LXDE is not slow or sluggish nor does Xorg adversely affect performance. It shows up just how efficient AntiX is 🙂

Anyone want to see the prequel…? 🙂 – for the fun of it…

The more discerning viewer of the movie will notice that the movie has not been messed with as the clock in the corner can be seen and timed.
The most important thing to understand is that it isn’t my old HP or my setup of unsupported LXDE under the superb AntiX-22 that is a limiting factor of ultimate performance born of efficiency but my personal limitations of how fast I can accurately move the mouse, right click or use the dialogue boxes. I have resource and performance to spare 🙂
As all can see 2 – 3MiB of RAM is not stressed at all so buying more RAM would be a waste of money – not that I wouldn’t just love two slots of Corsair’s finest 🙂

Thanks again for this superb, reliable AntiX-22

ps Could someone upload it to YT please as I do not use Google-YT – thanks

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I don’t think anyone here in this forum has said that lxde on antiX is slow and sluggish.
People, including myself, have simply pointed out that it uses more RAM than the default Rox/IceWM set up.
You are fighting a non-existent enemy.

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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anticapitalista wrote:

I don’t think anyone here in this forum has said that lxde on antiX is slow and sluggish.

Oh – they sure have – in fact very sluggish (lol)

Stand up and be counted or hide in the shadows? 🙂

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I think moddit may have made a comment; one of his machines is/was pretty old.

anticapitalista, on the other hand, stated quite clearly that there was about a 50 Mi overhead (according to free -h) when using LXDE vs. IceWM, but he also said both of them had “snappy” response.

When I’ve used LXDE (or LXQt, for that matter), both of them are responsive and quite usable.
The system where I’ve used multiple desktop environments is now 6-7 years old, closing in on 8 years. Previous 32-bit systems I used prior to that dated back to 2007-2008 and I used to review MANY distributions on them, a few of which definitely used LXDE; it worked fine then too.

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Brian Masinick wrote:

anticapitalista, on the other hand, stated quite clearly that there was about a 50 Mi overhead (according to free -h) when using LXDE vs. IceWM, but he also said both of them had “snappy” response.

Also in my testing (although memory delta was larger) I have not noticed LXDE being sluggish. Testing included X61 Thinkpad, Core2Duo, 4Gb. Memory footprint difference 50-100Mb should not make any noticeable impact, having sufficient memory installed.

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

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What was making the old Dell struggle was the Firefox browser tabs and other software running in the 2nd workspace, in addition to the screen cast software. Other than that, I won it on a bet 10 years ago, after it had outlived its usefulness in the Windows environment at a university IT department, so it owes me nothing, and it runs as well as it can.

I’m tired of your attitude. Please leave me out of your vendetta. I went to the effort of posting what you asked for, and you just post a bunch more smack talk. I am not investing any more of my time for your pissing contest.

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Thanks again Brian – ever helpful – honest – fine diplomat etc 🙂 You should be in the US Diplomatic Core 🙂 As here you say….
…. without a quote – designed to calm the waters…

Brian Masinick wrote:

I think moddit may have made a comment; one of his machines is/was pretty old.

I on the other hand like such matters aired out in the open for all to see and make their own judgement – hence to quote Moddit in September – …LXDE feels very sluggish though – again in November – LXDE makes the I5 Nvidia Tesla box I an using daily feel slow to react after more than two years with a highly customized and semi automated ICEWM.
I was forced to do an LXDE setup a short while ago, the user regretted the change even more than me :-). – Now back to efficiency.

Just had to correct him and others so that noobs or visitors do not get misinformed on our great forum. With hindsight would have been better if you had corrected him both times or deleted his silly posts.
Guess Moddit never heard of Ras Pi’s need for efficiency 🙂

Brian Masinick wrote:

anticapitalista, on the other hand, stated quite clearly that there was about a 50 Mi overhead (according to free -h) when using LXDE vs. IceWM, but he also said both of them had “snappy” response.

Quite right; his numbers are correct on his computer.
As you were in the trade you will know that 50MiB in 3000MiB is neither here nor there and both have a reputation for being snappy – just as I like it 🙂

Cheers Devs and testers 🙂

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BobC wrote:

What was making the old Dell struggle was the Firefox browser tabs and other software running in the 2nd workspace

Oh No – Not that old chestnut again – think your friend also said he had 20 FF tabs on the go – you would think that, being an experienced user, the bright red warning in HTop showing you in SWAP would say something to you…. ? Just basics really. Not for me to tell you how to operate an old laptop – but….
Never mind – water under the bridge.

Other readers might note the irony of you making a vid about “Better Performance” 🙂

I do not come up with excuse after excuse – not even one for my unsupported LXDE set up! It works great by following; as our leader says – leaner and meaner 🙂 Being no where near the SWAP zone 🙂 with FullantiX-22_x64-full – rather than your antiX-21_x64-full.

LXDE’s ease of use is a winner too. Head on over to distrowatch for an independent assessment under LXLE.

BobC wrote:

I am not investing any more of my time for your pissing contest.

Then one wonders why you took the trouble to empty your bile here 🙂

If you wish to attack me please expect a reply in kind. Shall we leave it there?

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@Andy – why are you (again) fighting a non-existent enemy about a non-existent problem?
Have you come here to create discord among our community?

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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olsztyn wrote:

Also in my testing (although memory delta was larger) I have not noticed LXDE being sluggish. Testing included X61 Thinkpad, Core2Duo, 4Gb. Memory footprint difference 50-100Mb should not make any noticeable impact, having sufficient memory installed.

Hi again – thanks for your positive input 🙂
Remember though it is not particularly the RAM used for idle; but when you push it a little with Video making and editing.
I was surprised at how well my old HP laptop performed these tasks with ease.
Plenty of performance to spare 🙂 to make a Gimp tutorial video 🙂
Think AntiX-22 had a lot to do with this.

Cheers – need to talk about your laptop soon 🙂

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Just an update as I can’t guarantee that I can keep the original gmx link open (top of page) as it’s taking quite some place on personal email cloud limit and can’t upload to YT as I don’t have an account.
Here is a sub sixty second clip on imgur….

https://imgur.com/a/eTPJNy3

Could I suggest that others do not post vids on YT that show our light, fast, efficient, lean, mean AntiX in a bad light by videos showing going into the SWAP zone and pictures, screenshots and wallpaper showing mega CPU-RAM usage?
Just a suggestion for an Announcement 🙂

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Did you manage to find out what happened to LXDE? The last release of it in a distro was in 2018 from what I could find.

I read talk of it being deprecated about that time, but I didn’t find the underlying reason. Maybe anticapitalista knows why.

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I do believe that development of the desktop environment known as LXDE *DID* cease, and I was a bit surprised to see it still in use.
I’m not sure what happened; I’ll guess:

1) Some people started to produce a somewhat similar desktop environment using Qt instead of Gtk+
2) I don’t know if the original LXDE team ceased in order to work on LXQt, or if the core LXDE team simply disbanded, but the Qt effort was pretty close to the timeframe that the Gtk based LXDE effort seemed to stall.

I didn’t follow this very closely, and it’s been a few years, PLUS it all happened right around the time of my personal retirement, so I spent more time watching our nephew and planning our move to a retirement location that year (2018) than I did researching; I used to be on top of every new project; that’s no longer the case; I only vaguely remember the details, but I’m probably wrong about a few of them because of what was happening at the time in my own journey.

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Well, I don’t know if this will end up picking a fight with @Andy or not. If it does we should just let Brian close this thread down. In all the tests I have done on old equipment, (and there is a considerable amount that I have shared here should you care to do a search) with Intel and AMD singe core and less 1GB of RAM or less, I have NEVER found LXDE to be superior to any of the desktops curated in antiX. For RAM use, IceWM usually wins, sometimes JWM wins. For a GUI environment that mimics a Windows 2000 type experience antiX desktops has l=always been the most satisfactory on old machines. LXDE is not terrible and is usuable. But it is NOT built in to the antiX system and must be supported by the user.

For Dual Core machines, with 2GB or more of RAM it does not really matter. On those systems I am not usually quite as strapped for space. But if I AM strapped for space, such as 1 GB of RAM or 2GB hard drive, then I stay with antiX ONLY. No need to add LXDE or anything else. In fact more likely to strip some sevices rather than add a DE.

As time moves on it will be less necessary to skimp on features to save memory and disk space. By the time you get to a 64-bit systems with 4GB of RAM you can start playing around with LXDE or KDE or whatever with very little trouble. At that level anticapitalista is right on point – there is no argument to be had. But you’re barking up the wrong tree here if your goal is to brag about how great some Desktop Environment is as compared to antiX desktops. No one here will argue that LXDE is not a good lightweight DE. What they will argue is that it is not needed. antiX already has what we need.

That is not to say we are not interested in what someone who loves LXDE might be able to do with it in antiX. That is perfectly interesting stuff. But don’t get offended if we don’t share your enthusiasm and think it’s rediculous to pick fights about which “desktop” is better.

And I must say, I’ve been around here for a while. No sense in picking a fight with BobC, he can take care of himself and is a straight shooter. It takes quite q bit to ruffle his feathers.

I suggest you, Andy, take a breath and do as the kids say these days, slow your roll. Share, but don’t pick fights.

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Yes, Brian, LXDE was discontinued by the developer. It was kind of handed off to the community. But I can’t tell if there is still much active development. Mainly just a user community. Active development from LXDE became lxQt.

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