Music and Poetry of Grup Yorum antiX

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In a recent thread anticapitalista pointed us to an excellent video of Helin Bölek and Grup Yorum in post https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/installing-antix-linux-on-medion-laptop/page/2/#post-68436
I was reading comments to that Youtube video and first thing I noticed a beautiful brief quote from Nâzım Hikmet poet:
Αν δεν καώ,
αν δεν καείς,
αν δεν καούμε,
πως μπορεί η νύχτα να φωτιστεί

As this encourages me to become more familiar with poetry of Nâzım Hikmet I also cannot miss to notice that Nâzım Hikmet was born in 1902 in Salonica, Ottoman Empire! This is exactly Thessaloniki – headquarters of antiX and residence of anticapitalista…
Amazing coincidence… Poetry and antiX hand in hand…

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A lot of Nâzım Hikmet’s work has been re-produced in Greece.
Some of his poems were translated/adapted to the Greek ‘reality’ by the Greek poet Yiannis Ritsos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiannis_Ritsos

(Have a look at Ritsos’s poem called Epitaphios, also about events in Thessaloniki/Salonika)

Hikmet’s work has been put to song as well here. A couple of examples for you to enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u7PT7heg6o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawWwWAs5aM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUxDBOP46Mg

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While I couldn’t read or understand anything, Nazim Hikmet has a very nice high baritone voice (similar to my singing range), but this gentleman has a superior tone, nice to listen to, even in a “foreign tongue”.

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anticapitalista wrote:

Hikmet’s work has been put to song as well here. A couple of examples for you to enjoy:

Microcosmos – beautiful… Got lyrics (I mean the poem) to learn…

Brian Masinick wrote:

a “foreign tongue”

Well, if you consider Tukish language as ‘foreign’ then I would agree with you in the sense that it is not from our family of Indo-European languages, such as (almost) all languages of Europe and Persian (Farsi), which I would not consider as ‘foreign’ as all these originated from the same language, before these nations came to Europe from the East. Languages such as Greek, Romanic, Germanic and Slavic languages are the same Indo-European family, just diversified over time from the original language of their ancestors in the East.
Although Turkish language, which came with Turks from Altai region to Anatolia in 10th century, belongs to Turkic family of languages, so not one of Indo-European family, it has grammar very similar to our common Indo-European grammar and structure. Not very foreign and not that difficult I think…
Languages in general are fascinating…

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I didn’t know that Nazim’s poems have been reproduced as a song.
Great to listen to.
Thanks anticapitalista

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olsztyn wrote:

anticapitalista wrote:

Hikmet’s work has been put to song as well here. A couple of examples for you to enjoy:

Microcosmos – beautiful… Got lyrics (I mean the poem) to learn…

Brian Masinick wrote:

a “foreign tongue”

Well, if you consider Tukish language as ‘foreign’ then I would agree with you in the sense that it is not from our family of Indo-European languages, such as (almost) all languages of Europe and Persian (Farsi), which I would not consider as ‘foreign’ as all these originated from the same language, before these nations came to Europe from the East. Languages such as Greek, Romanic, Germanic and Slavic languages are the same Indo-European family, just diversified over time from the original language of their ancestors in the East.
Although Turkish language, which came with Turks from Altai region to Anatolia in 10th century, belongs to Turkic family of languages, so not one of Indo-European family, it has grammar very similar to our common Indo-European grammar and structure. Not very foreign and not that difficult I think…
Languages in general are fascinating…

For me, someone who has never been completely off the North/Central American shore (Canada and Jamaica, both part of “America” (just not the U.S.A.) are as far as my travels have taken me. Language wise, I only had introductory courses in French and I’ve seen words like “Welcome”, “File”, “Edit”, etc. from graphical interfaces translated into a few languages and “heard” a few words here and there… that’s my extent of “learning” when it comes to anything other than the US dialect of “American English, so my linguistic expertise is far more limited than MANY people who use antiX.

I appreciate and value many cultures, yet I know precious little about them, and that’s another reason why these discussions have been both interesting and useful for me personally.

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This is a very Nice song to from Ahmet Kaya

https://youtu.be/_oxwvmXRZhM

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Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

This is a very Nice song to from Ahmet Kaya

I like the song.
However, the displayed lyrics should be in Greek, not transcript using Latin alphabet. When it is in transcript, it is harder. Is it because it is meant for Turkish audience?
If so, then you have the Turkish translation on the second line.
Question:
Ahmet Kaya is a Kurd. Why is he singing in Greek, not Kurdish, anyway? The Kurdish languages belong to the Iranian branch of the Indo-European family, so this would be very interesting to hear…
With the above comments I did not mean to be critical about performance of Ahmet Kaya, which is excellent, but rather about how that video was made. So do not take my comments as criticism…

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Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

This is a very Nice song to from Ahmet Kaya

https://youtu.be/_oxwvmXRZhM

You are right; very nice instrumental playing and nice singing!

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Group Yorum sings Kürdistan’ım Hey – Hey free Kurdistan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shPePyo0g-U
Beautiful song! I am still looking for lyrics…
Unfortunately just audio, not much video.
Significant recognition of great Kurdish nation and freedom for Kurdistan by Grup Yorum…

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I just want to highlight the video from Grup Yorum, which might as well be considered the essence of their movement – March of Socialism/communism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjnQRo_G4-s

My disclaimer to my Western colleagues: I am just reporting, I am the messenger. Do not blame/flame me for highlighting this video.
I am not advertising communism by showing this video. I just want to highlight a great deal of overall romanticism of the movement.

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Dear Olsztyn,

Thanks for sharing both video´s.
Many members of Grup Yorum are of Kurdish and alevism descent.

What an honor for me to see that you support the freedom of Kurds.
In my opinion, this freedom will only succeed if it is a socialist region.
Perhaps we should get rid of the ‘state’ idea, as the state system has only led to destruction in the world.

As for Ahmet Kaya, I think Greek can be very beautiful, especially when Greeks understand it and feel it in their hearts.
Furthermore, I unfortunately have to say that 99% of Ahmet Kaya’s songs are sung in Turkish.
This is because Kurdish is banned and still not allowed to be taught as a native language.
Also we all have Turkish first and last names and usually the last names are very Turkish nationalistic.

Sorry for my late response, I accidentally turned the notification off.

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Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

Perhaps we should get rid of the ‘state’ idea, as the state system has only led to destruction in the world.

It used to be like this. No state, just tribes. So in your region Turkish tribe of Kai, eventually led by Ertugrul. Son of Ertugrul was Osman, the founder of Ottoman dynasty. Unfortunately separate tribes were vulnerable to attacks to they joined Seljuk state early on in your region.

Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

As for Ahmet Kaya, I think Greek can be very beautiful, especially when Greeks understand it and feel it in their hearts.
Furthermore, I unfortunately have to say that 99% of Ahmet Kaya’s songs are sung in Turkish.
This is because Kurdish is banned and still not allowed to be taught as a native language.

Greek is beautiful. But Ahmet Kaya being a Kurd, I would rather him sing in Kurdish. As you say he sings mostly in Turkish though. I did not know Kurdish is banned and not taught even in Kurdish region. Kurdish language is from Indo-European family, so closer to European languages than Turkish.

Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

Also we all have Turkish first and last names and usually the last names are very Turkish nationalistic.

I did not know this either that even Kurds in Turkey must have Turkish names… This is probably to integrate all nationalities as Turkish, and in the course of time erase true national origin.
I am an American, originally from Poland (Lechistan in Turkish). In 16th and 17th century we (Lechistan) had several wars with Turkey (Ottoman Empire), the last one in defense of Vienna, besieged by grand vazir Kara Mustafa in 1683, army of about 300,000, this number includes not just Yeniçeriler. That is when Polish king Sobieski with 20,000 heavy cavalry defeated great army of Kara Mustafa and saved Vienna and Western Europe from Ottoman Empire.
Regards…

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I hadn’t heard of Sobieski before, what a great king.
the Battle of Khotyn was a very important victory, otherwise you would also have a Turkish name :p
Here I found some information:

Battle
and
Sobieski

With no state in mind I have in mind a civilizations working together, on the basis of socialism, to keep the region safe and not exploit other peoples.
It is still inconceivable to me that a Hindu, for example, has a monthly salary that a German earns in 1 hour.
As long as you have this you will also have inequality.
As for the stateless system, I can recommend the best books from Ocalan:
Ocalan

You say you live in America, how is assimilation there? Can you continue to apply your own Polish culture and language?

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Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

I hadn’t heard of Sobieski before, what a great king.
the Battle of Khotyn was a very important victory, otherwise you would also have a Turkish name :p

Yes, indeed. That was a great victory, that saved Poland/Lithuania Commonwealth. If not that I would have a Turkish name indeed…
And without decisive victory by Vienna in 1683, not only Austria but most of West Europe would belong to Ottoman Empire. Other countries stood no chance…

Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

With no state in mind I have in mind a civilizations working together, on the basis of socialism,

If you mean real socialism or communism, not such as currently in Europe, which we Americans often call a socialist system, then I lived in such until my late twenties. In reality socialism/communism and ‘No state’ are mutually contradictory, In other words it is not possible, I am afraid. That is because socialism/communism is itself the highest form of state, where everything belongs to the state and all you need you get from the state. No private ownership except your personal items. If you try to produce a little something and sell on the side, such as vegetables from your small garden, if you are lucky to have one at all, then you will be punished and called ‘kulak’, as was called in Soviet Union. State owned everything and controlled everything. I will try to read some of recommended by you Ocalan theories, but in real implementation it is how it was implemented through the Soviet Union.

Eismckwadraat19 wrote:

You say you live in America, how is assimilation there?

America (USA) is a wonderful country of great opportunity for individual accomplishments. People originating from different countries find home here and are successful. My kids went through universities and are successful in their careers. But the most important is the traditional attachment to freedom.

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It is still inconceivable to me that a Hindu, for example, has a monthly salary that a German earns in 1 hour.

This is when you compare currency exchange rate of India’s Rupia against Euro. If you consider local prices in India though it is different.
At work I had many colleagues from India and all I know are rather quite successful in the USA, whether they decide to settle or go back.

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