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      Nation states have existed since approximately 1880.
      Forms of government before 1878 were therefore very different.
      Socialism/Communism as it has been implemented in practice to date has not worked.
      In practice it has only resulted in totalirism, dictatorship, restriction of freedom.
      What I mean more by this is a socialist system that strives for equality, such as the Netherlands does, for example.

      For example in the Netherlands people earn about the same.
      An employee in a supermarket and a teacher earn about the same money each month.
      The unemployed and the vulnerable receive a state wage.
      You have a women’s quota on board positions.
      Agriculture is organized cooperatively.
      Everyone has health insurance.

      The foregoing can be realized in a stateless system by a people’s parliament…

      I do indeed understand that the exchange rate is different and therefore the prices of products based on the income are also based (like Inda).
      What I do not understand is why, for example, the euro is worth much more.
      Why is there a difference when Germany and India should be equal.
      But in practice, a German can buy a house in Inda with his monthly salary…

      -I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition-

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        Socialism/Communism as it has been implemented in practice to date has not worked.
        In practice it has only resulted in totalirism, dictatorship, restriction of freedom.

        Yes, indeed. It was implemented as prescribed by Karl Marx, Engels and Lenin and implemented to the letter by Stalin. If you watch the second video ‘March to Socialism’ by Grup Yorum, all these people are glorified as leaders of this ideology. Music and the march song created by Grup Yorum are both excellent. Highly recommended to watch.

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          Yes, indeed. It was implemented as prescribed by Karl Marx, Engels and Lenin and implemented to the letter by Stalin.

          I totally disagree with this, as did/do many Marxists, including those who opposed Stalin’s rise to power as it was happening.

          The Stalinist regimes in the Soviet Union, its satellite states in what was then called Eastern Europe, as well as regimes today in China, Vietnam, Cuba etc have nothing to do with genuine socialism/communism. If anyone were to actually read what Marx, Engels and Lenin wrote rather than what is portrayed as their beliefs, then you get a completely different view/concept of what they meant by socialism/communism. For Marx, Engels and Lenin, socialism/communism means workers power, workers self-emancipation and workers control (not Party, military or bureaucratic rule) leading to states and social classes ‘withering away’.

          The states that claimed to be communist were in fact state-capitalist, ruled by a vicious bureaucratic elite/ruling class that oppressed workers and peasants, national minorities (or even majorities). Any opposition was brutally crushed some known examples – East Germany 1953, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Poland 1981 (and many others). Genuine Marxists celebrated the 1989 uprisings against mis-named ‘Communism’.

          For just one of many Marxist critiques of Stalinism, have a read of this.

          The Nature of Stalinist Russia

          PS – Grup Yorum are great musicians and brave fighters against the Turkish state, and I’m 100% with them on that.
          However, their glorification of Stalinist politics leave me with a bitter taste.

          Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

          antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

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            PS – Grup Yorum are great musicians and brave fighters against the Turkish state, and I’m 100% with them on that.
            However, their glorification of Stalinist politics leave me with a bitter taste.

            I totally agree with this statement.

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              I agree for the most part with anticapitalista.
              Only I think we should interpret Cuba and Vietnam differently.
              These countries have been so oppressed that they have not been able to introduce socialism.
              They had to put all their focus on self-defense and had no further support from other countries.

              I will now read The Nature of Stalinist Russia, I am very curious about it.
              I will share my findings on this in more detail.

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                I got the piece from ”Tony Cliff Read The Nature of Stalinist Russia”.
                It is a very strong analysis of what actually goes wrong in (so-called) communist countries.
                There is a difference between what one has done in practice (abuse of power) and the true freedom of civilizations.
                besides, I didn’t know that in early world history (Arab feudalism) you also had forms of state property.

                I think this summaries the problem:
                To assume that the proletariat and the bourgeoisie can use the same state machine as the instrument of their supremacy is tantamount to a repudiation of the revolutionary concept of the state expressed by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

                But the relationship between labor and means of production and how it should be understood is unclear to me.
                But I think what it comes down to is that you should not only divide the products and means of production fairly, you should also divide the working time equally.
                The analysis of the nationalization of English state property and the resulting state capitalism is an instructive example.
                Also the analysis that a military victory is no proof of an anti-capitalist system is again well explained and clarified with examples from Russia and Germany.

                But what could be the right solution?
                How could the socialists bring about a well-functioning system?
                Could this be combined with a stateless system?

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                  Just out of interest I asked my Vietnamese Lady friend (trained as a teacher) about word freedom, answer was immediate.
                  I can ask her to send me the word if wished for. I can not understand how to spell it in english myself.

                  Almost certainly Vietnamese feel more free now than under French rule where they were treated like slaves.
                  USA tried to destroy the entire country the damage through agent orange is visible everywhere I travelled. New forest trees
                  will only grow when given a prepared root hole and a possibly permanent non polluted nutrient feeding, in many areas only very
                  flat rooting Bamboo will grow.

                  The greatest fear in modern Vietnam is another chinese rule. And I agree Vietnam has had little time to develop itself without
                  opressive interference.

                  In some ways there is more freedom in Vietnam than here in Germany where near everything is regulated to the detriment of the
                  general population. Only the rich van do pretty much what they feel like as they can afford to fight back state opression in courts.
                  No freedom to work and trade with natural talent or hard work in most professions. Near total surveillance.

                  It becomes more and more difficult to accept.

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                    In some ways there is more freedom in Vietnam than here in Germany where near everything is regulated to the detriment of the
                    general population. Only the rich van do pretty much what they feel like as they can afford to fight back state opression in courts.
                    No freedom to work and trade with natural talent or hard work in most professions. Near total surveillance.

                    It becomes more and more difficult to accept.

                    I have relatives in Germany and I hear the same from them. When they have some time off from work they come to Poland to my sister’s house and relax in a quiet environment close to lakes.
                    Poland being a part of EU is forced by Germany and ‘Brussels’ administration to impose certain EU restrictions too, but apparently there is some difference.
                    Way too much government (meaning way too much institutionalized state oppression)…

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                      Just to mark Grup Yorum antiX’ advancement with version 21, Group Yorum sings ‘Herne Pêş’ (Forward Go!) in Kurdish language:
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNJjo99eT34
                      Another video of this ‘Herne Pêş’ song – Kurdish army furnished with US Hummers and tanks:
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeRFqhFozVk
                      Really nice song…

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                        Dear Olsztyn,

                        Thanks for sharing both videos.
                        This number was and is very important for the Kurds from a moral point of view.
                        But a difficult future awaits the Kurds.

                        Turkey is getting ready to conquer Rojava, they had already started Afrin 1.5 years ago.
                        A few weeks ago they used chemic weapons on Kurdish fighters, images of this can be found on the internets.
                        They want to get bigger and talk about restoring the Ottoman Empire.
                        All minorities in Turkey have nothing to say and are hopelessly lost.
                        Iran, Syria and Iraq are no different either.
                        All entire politics is based on a capitalist state with 1 flag, 1 people and 1 religion.

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                          They want to get bigger and talk about restoring the Ottoman Empire.

                          I see this in progress, unfortunately… On Turkish blogs some people already refer to Erdoğan as “Sultanim Erdoğan”.
                          Kurds were allies of US and all those tanks and Hummers were provided to Kurdish army by US, not abandoned in disgrace like in Afghanistan.
                          However Kurdish fight is difficult considering Turkish army is dominant. I think it is larger than any European army, except Russia.
                          In these two years to come lots of things will happen quickly, they say, to take advantage of current weakness of current US government. These years are a huge opportunity for some big powers to exploit it. I will not be surprised if Taiwan and Ukraine are taken over, so Erdoğan’s ‘Ottoman Empire’ might not be far fetched…

                          All entire politics is based on a capitalist state with 1 flag, 1 people and 1 religion.

                          Yes. Gone is religious freedom in Turkey. And strong state is a given after coup failed.

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                            All minorities in Turkey have nothing to say and are hopelessly lost.
                            Iran, Syria and Iraq are no different either.

                            I apologize that in a rush I missed to comment on this important point. I believe a large Kurdish minority exists in all these countries and to your point, neither of these countries is interested in autonomy of Kurdish provinces within their borders.
                            This is unfortunate as Kurdish nation is large, if you put together all these Kurdish areas divided by these countries. It deserves independence, to reflect Kurdish national identity. Even just consider that Kurdish language is distinctly different from Turkish or Arabic.
                            Just MHO…

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                              Thank you for your message. the countries Kurdistan is in is not only bad to Kurds, but also to their own people. I liken it to wild west and feudalism. an independent Kurdistan will therefore not offer a solution. I think that democracy and freedom should develop throughout the region. until that happens, all the nations there will be oppressed…

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                                Every day I wish we got Trotsky. Stalin is glorified in Russia a lot. I asked some relatives who like Stalin about GULAG, and they didn’t know what it was. Every only knows that he is a hero who saved the world from the Nazis. If we had Trotsky Nazis wouldn’t be able to rise to power, as he wouldn’t have broken the alliance with communists in Germany, and crushed the Nazis early on.

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                                  Every only knows that he is a hero who saved the world from the Nazis.

                                  Only after Germany attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941. Before that he (Stalin) established a friendly pact with Nazi Germany – Molotov-Ribbentrop pact on August 23, 1939, in preparation for partitioning Europe, which started with partitioning Poland two weeks later, then Finland, Estonia, etc…
                                  Soviet Union from the East and Germany from the West in perfect cooperation…

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