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      I know my comment is off topic, as are many in this thread…

      Its my belief that history is a long crazy string of interwoven events. The creation of the Federal Reserve in the USA and the end of honest money resulted in the US printing money to pay for wars, allowing unlimited wars, and endless money printing, which combined with the war reparations Germany was forced to pay at the end of World War I resulted in the Hyperinflation in Germany, which then caused the financail devastation of Germany and allowed the Nazi’s and Hitler to come to power. In the USA at the same time this caused the Roaring 20’s credit bubble and its aftermath, the Great Depression. World War II was Germany’s way out of the mess, with the Third Reich employing everyone to become “Great” again.

      I read recently that it was Marx that came up with the idea that a central bank (with paper money and its centralized control over the money supply) was what was needed to communize a nation. I think central governments just steal, misappropriate, or waste everything they touch no matter what they tell us in the beginning, regardless of the century, year, language, party name or locality.

      Look back to see where this path has taken us five or ten years from now. Even the USA is a socialist nation now. I just wish the people would have the freedom and the power to improve their own lives that hard work and honesty will provide, rather than cede it to central governments and central bankers and their unlimited debt and paper promises that can never be fulfilled. I wish that for everyone, everywhere, not just here or there.

      And PS, it makes no sense whatsoever to me that they would be arrested for playing music and singing. Those of us still having some freedom can’t even imagine such repression.

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        Those of us still having some freedom can’t even imagine such repression.

        Indeed. However our freedoms are also being gradually reduced step by step, when government in power uses fear tactics to impose more and more control over citizens, restricting freedoms and the rights of individuals. In tandem, woke ‘cancel’ terror in full speed where not only people are ‘cancelled’ but also some literature is censored (Huckleberry Finn and others gone from schools), classic movies and music/songs are next under scrutiny.
        On Grup Yorum I learned a lot in this thread. Great musicians and singers, great songs with lots of revolutionary spirit. My understanding is they were banned for affiliation with a ‘terrorist organization’, meant Kurdistan Workers Party. This classification is used by Turkish government but for many others it means freedom fighters.

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          https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/52184/Whats+behind+the+rights+war+on+Critical+Race+Theory

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            Her sacrifice and death of Helin Bölek was a very sad event. In Turkish style it deserves sad remembrance equal to one, when şehzade Mustafa died (Muhteşem Yüzyıl – Magnificent Century):

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZTu-pXtKFA

            The a above beautiful song in Grup Yorum production:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO6Rjrxw9uQ&list=RDyrNihe4dkfQ&index=19

            Corresponding episode from Muhteşem Yüzyıl:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTgWtycWhvQ&t=93s

            It is based on a beautiful poem written by Muhyiddin Ibn Arbabî. Beautifully interpreted in both Muhteşem Yüzyıl and Grup Yorum performance…

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              In remembrance of Grup Yorum and Helin Bölek in particular I just want to add another her song – Güleycan:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8HXiyjNiI

              In English translation starts Like this:
              Even the sun is forbidden (my rose, my rose)
              My heart is yellow hot (my rose, my rose)
              Pierces the walls (smile, smile)
              The embers of love (my rose, my rose)
              Guleycan…

              As usual, translation into any foreign language rarely conveys the same feeling, so I am also including the above in the original Turkish as sung by Helin Bölek , to make it easier to sing along:…

              Güneş bile yasak (gülüm güley gülüm)
              İçim sarı sıcak (gülüm güley gülüm)
              Duvarları deler (gülüm güley gülüm)
              Sevdanın közü (gülüm güley gülüm)
              Güleycan…

              It is another great performance of Grup Yorum / Helin Bölek…

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                Another must see and listen from Grup Yorum – Haklıyız Kazanacağız… Great recording from 2017:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAeqbLUcsZE

                The original performance – concert in 2010 with Helin Bölek as singer:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7-K0JnwShg

                In the latter video I bring attention only to musical performance, so please overlook the leftist propaganda pictures, if you chose to do so…
                Leftist or not, fact is that this Grup Yorum brought great music and songs, deep spirit and dedication rarely seen in our Western world nowadays…
                On the heels of this note I am including another great song from Turkey (although this one is not produced by Grup Yorum) – İzmir Marşı, which is about the Turkey’s great leader Mustafa Kemal, who as previously mentioned was born in Thessaloniki, a few blocks from anticapitalista’s residence:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XysyPieWH98

                As noticed before, it seems some great leaders are either born or live in Thessaloniki…
                Thanks to antiX’ and Mustafa Kemal (as born) residences being same neighborhood the latter song has more in common with antiX than previously thought…

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                  Hi Olsztyn,

                  Thanks for sharing the videos.
                  It is always a pleasure to watch/listen to videos shared by you.

                  You’re just making a mistake with your last video.
                  Mustafa was indeed born in Selanik, but apart from this coincidence there is no respective contribution from him to the world.

                  He is known in the west as the founder of the secular republic of Turkey, but in fact this is only an appearance.
                  – For example, within the republic he founded the Ministry of Islam, or Diyanet in Turkish. This ministry is very powerful and regulates all Turkish mosques in the World. You can probably find a lot about it on google, but can we now speak of a republic?
                  – He further eradicated all languages ​​and religions by teaching and propagating 1 flag, 1 people and 1 belief ideology.
                  – He wiped out cities like ‘Dersim’, you can google this too.

                  I can go on like this 🙂
                  But another point is the fronts that have now arisen in Turkey:
                  – Islamists (mostly followers of Erdogan), very nationalistic and dreamers of restoring the old Ottoman Empire.
                  – Kemalists (followers of Ataturk), very nationalistic and dreamers of a Turkey with only Turks.
                  – Left Socialists

                  Grup Yorum is seen by Kemalists as a terrorist music group. Izmir marsi is a song that socialists in Turkey will certainly not listen or sing…
                  Hence, combining both fronts (antiX – Grup Yorum – Izmir marsi) is out of place 🙂

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                    Grup Yorum is seen by Kemalists as a terrorist music group. Izmir marsi is a song that socialists in Turkey will certainly not listen or sing…

                    Thank you for the valuable info on Turkish politics, from which I agree that perhaps İzmir Marşı video is not the best example for Grup Yorum antiX political spirit. Not being Turkish I apparently missed the difference.

                    I greatly appreciate your analysis of the political situation in Turkey. It is a great lesson to me.
                    I suppose Fethullah Gülen, who lives relatively close to me, in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, represents one of the factions you outlined? No need to answer this – I read about Fethullah Gülen as politically opposed to Erdoğan…
                    Thanks and Regards…

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                      I have probably posted this video before somewhere in this forum, but it is still worth posting again, just as a reminder that what we at antiX and Grup Yorum are for internationalism and not nationalism.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jck3NcgOoOE&list=RDJck3NcgOoOE&start_radio=1&rv=Jck3NcgOoOE&t=0

                      Turkish with Greek subtitles

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                        Thanks for this video, Last part of this video is heartbreaking..
                        Unfortunately, the left is very small (about 15%) in Turkey/Kurdistan.
                        In the Netherlands, where I currently reside, it is even less and less alive among the population.
                        ”Internationalism and not nationalism” is in my opinion well summed up.
                        As Einstein put it:
                        Nationalism: An infantile disease. It’s the measles of mankind.

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                          Just want to mention another creation of Grup Yorum – Gerisi Hayat – The rest is life:

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loPSggB6uJ8

                          This one is completely created by Grup Yorum – both music and lyrics – Revolutionary call to take arms in hand and fight.
                          I could attach the Turkish lyrics here but they can be found under the above Youtube recording, so one can sing along…

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                            Early versions –

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QG00irEejU

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o6MiDfT8mk

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                              As antiX continues into year 2022 as Grup Yorum antiX 21 I think it is worthwhile to get to know the individual performers. The following video presents them – Eski Ve Yeni Grup Yorum Üyeleri:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfrBycXAYaU

                              In addition to previously posted songs, the following Grup Yorum production – Gel ki Şafaklar Tutuşsun:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4dHISlQx_E

                              The lyrics can be found under video, start with:

                              karanlıklar içinden şafakla gel günle gel
                              kan ve barut içinden dirençle gel kinle gel

                              Translated into English:

                              come with the dawn from the darkness, come with the day
                              come with resistance through blood and gunpowder

                              Also the following is the remarkable performance in celebration of May 1st:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMhFZz8B_tM

                              Beautifully sung ‘Karadir Kaşların’:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8Bn-a7PZs

                              And composition in memory of Hêlin Bölek – from concert in Güvenpark, Ankara:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KsIQx0lYs

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                                Hikmet’s work has been put to song as well here. A couple of examples for you to enjoy:
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u7PT7heg6o

                                As Microcosmos continues to ring in my ears I was able to track other video recordings of Rita Antonopoulou, who appears to is singing ‘Microcosmos’ in the above recording…
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fPzzy8cqyY
                                and:
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nznu6owBWcE

                                Just to refresh, this song touches on historic events in Thessaloniki, city with antiX headquarters…

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                                  Hi dear friends,

                                  Firstly thanks a lot Olsztyn, you share always great video’s.

                                  I would like to share with you a song of Grup Yorum.
                                  Inside a prison you can air for 30 minutes a day (if you are lucky).
                                  Usually prisoners then walk back and forth to be able to move a little.
                                  They sing/whistle this song during te walk:)

                                  Voltada soylenen turku

                                  I wish you a lot of listening pleasure

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