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BitJam
Can you please show me how it works? Suppose I am looking for a package called ‘asciijump.’ How do I find it in that link?
“Searching” and “browsing” are two different things. I use Google to search for Debian packages. For example: Google(debian asciijump) Since antiX is derived from Debian, all (or nearly all) of the packages in Debian are available in antiX.
Is there some way I can browse your repositories so I can check what is available and decide whether antiX is adequate for me BEFORE I INSTALL ANTIX?
We have a very extensive live system. This gives you an excellent way to evaluate antiX before you install it. I think this will provide you with much better information for much less work than browsing our repos would give you. If you want to make a full-featured antiX live-usb on an existing Linux distro, there are simple directions at my live-usb-maker repo. If you are starting with Windows or an already made “dd” live-usb then just put it and run the live-usb-maker program (gui or cli) and select clone mode to make a full featured live-usb. Many people use antiX exclusively live without ever installing.
As for communism, like many FOSS projects, we operate as a gift economy with a strong leader. We have also tried to put the “means of production” in the hands of the users as much as possible. With live-remastering and persistence along with snapshot and the build-iso system we have made a concerted effort to make it as easy as possible for people to create their own custom versions and spin-offs of antiX. As we grew, our expenses also grew so we finally started accepting donations but for many years we did not. We are certainly not in it for the money nor are we trying to monetize antiX. It is an all volunteer effort but I would say we operate closely to “each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.”
IMHO all this means we operate much closer to the ideals of communism than those of capitalism. As do many other FOSS projects. If you find our method of organization objectionable, you are free to boycott us. OTOH, we try to support all users regardless of their political thoughts or affiliations. No loyalty oath is required. OTOOH, I suggest we all try to follow these two simple rules:
1) Don’t be annoying
2) Don’t get annoyedContext is worth 80 IQ points -- Alan Kay
LucMove
I was planning to shut up but some of the newer comments are making the thread more interesting. So I want to ask more.
What is the difference between using Debian and antiX? What motivates you to use antiX instead of Debian? Is it just the old now classic bone to pick with systemd, or is there more to it?
Let me tell you about my reasons: I love Debian and I even love that they don’t release new global OS versions often. I love that Stretch is still considered current after a few years and no upgrade police is going to stop and frisk me because I am using something outdated (“Hey, it still works!” “Shut up punk, it’s outdated. Keep your hands where I can see them!”). But I hate that Debian leaves way too many packages frozen for too long, with bugs that were fixed upstream years ago and they won’t update in the repositories. The stable Debian repository is veritably a museum. It’s a pristine snapshot of what developers were up to four or five years ago. That has become a major turn-off for me.
Where does antiX stand with regard to that? So it uses Debian repositories. So I have to choose between using antiX with the stable Debian repository and enduring the same problems I already do, or using the newer repository which… well, Debian will also give me if I just simply upgrade to Debian Buster.
Incidentally, if the official Debian repositories are compatible with antiX, why does antiX have its own repository? Why does it need one? What separates the two endeavors anyway?
Anonymous
What is the difference between using Debian and antiX?
If you want preconfigured Fluxbox/Herbstluft/IceWM/JWM environment, then the difference is obvious — you don’t have to install and configure it yourself.
The same goes for LIVE this and that.If you want OpenBox, then there is no advantage.
What motivates you to use antiX instead of Debian?
This question only you can answer to yourself. Only you know what you need/expect and you see what you get if you play with antiX for a while. See above.
Is it just the old now classic bone to pick with systemd, or is there more to it?
Answered in those two answers above.
I love Debian and I even love that they don’t release new global OS versions often.
But I hate that Debian leaves way too many packages frozen for too long, with bugs that were fixed upstream years agoI really love my 60’s old timer cabrio but, I really hate that the modern air-conditioning doesn’t work and I can’t enjoy my HiFi sound. Did you notice something?
Did you try Windows 10 already? Absolutely stable, probably best Start Menu up to day, 20-year old ‘packages’ mostly still working. Current programs all working. Future apps probably also working … One or the other niggle from time to time is usually a peanut compared to Linux niggles ‘n’ glitches …
Incidentally, if the official Debian repositories are compatible with antiX, why does antiX have its own repository?
Why does it need one? What separates the two endeavors anyway?antiX is 98 % Debian. Most packages a from Debian. Basic problems, advantages/disadvantages are same like in Debian, except … see the answers above.
antiX has its own repository for a small number of packages that are not available in Debian at all or, for some packages that are newer or fixed versions.
Example: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/icewm-start-menu-icons/page/2/#post-18231
P.S.
Just thinking loud … I actually don’t really understand myself and why I’m answering the obvious.
If you would just simply pick up antiX and Debian Live, play around with each of them for a couple of days, you would easily see the difference yourself and be able to see if it’s suitable/worth for you. Nobody here can answer what are your intentions with some O/S, your expectations on it, your knowledge about the O/S you use …
If you can’t see the difference yourself, after trying both distributions live for a couple of days, than it anyway doesn’t matter answering you what’s the difference (since you’re obviously unable to see any). For that matter, you can simply pick up just about any/every O/S or Linux distribution out there — it would make no difference for you.
What motivates you to use antiX instead of Debian?
This question only you can answer to yourself. Only you know what you need/expect and you see what you get if you play with antiX for a while. See above.
I specified my motivation above. I guess I want some kind of rolling release Debian. Some form of Debian with applications updated a lot—a lot—more often than what Debian does.
You’ve got a pretty clear answer above, if you read between the lines.
More than Debian Testing you’ll probably not get here.You’ve got a pretty clear answer above, if you read between the lines.
More than Debian Testing you’ll probably not get here.It’s not pretty clear if one has to read between the lines… Just saying.
It‘s just … I didn‘t expect you to read between the lines of my text but, between the lines of the post #21272. That was above my post. In that question is the answer. 😉
Just saying … 😉
I guess I want some kind of rolling release Debian.
offhand, I’m aware of only 2 canditates: https://siduction.org/ and https://vsido.org
noClue, your reply attempting to summarize some differences was heroic; I do agree that LucMove would be best served by livebooting each to assess the differences firsthand.
cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/buster_di_rc1-live/
I downloaded + tested the lxde version in virtualbox. Tolerable, but chockfull of stuff that I’d never use + preinstalled apps that I would replace with my preferred apps.
christophe
That’s exactly right, fellas! You have to just make a live usb & test it out.
Nothing else will prove anything.
It’s like asking, “If I walk out my front door, how will i know my legs will keep moving until I get to the end of the sidewalk?”noClue, your reply attempting to summarize some differences was heroic; I do agree that LucMove would be best served by livebooting each to assess the differences firsthand.
I love antiX. Maybe you will, too, or maybe not. Check it out.
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- This reply was modified 4 years ago by christophe.
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