on preselected search by Google

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      How has it happened that Google is the default surveillance search engine in antiX?
      Devs, do you sell us? 😉
      Wouldn’t it be more respectful towards the users if antiX used a privacy-friendly search service?
      There are quite a few to opt from:
      https://www.pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201908/page05.html

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        How has it happened that Google is the default surveillance search engine in antiX?

        It is the default search engine for Firefox. If this wasn’t so, many people would react negatively to it.

        Changing the default search engine in firefox is very easy, so it is up to each of us to do so. Many users have already change to startpage.com or duckduckgo.com

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          How has it happened that Google is the default surveillance search engine in antiX?

          It is the default search engine for Firefox. If this wasn’t so, many people would react negatively to it.

          Changing the default search engine in firefox is very easy, so it is up to each of us to do so. Many users have already change to startpage.com or duckduckgo.com

          Regardless of which Web Browser I use (which includes Seamonkey, Firefox, Brave and Vivaldi, I set the default search engine to DuckDuckGo. If it’s not automatically set, you can still visit https://duckduckgo.com/ – nothing difficult about that!

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            This has come up before. Search the forum for an answer.

            Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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              >It is the default search engine for Firefox.
              Oh, I see – Mozilla had sold all of us long ago…

              >It is the default search engine for Firefox. If this wasn’t so, many people would react negatively to it.
              Where is the default icewm configuration?
              Where is the default geany layout?
              Where is the god-blessed beloved systemd which is the de-facto standard? Many users would react negatively not finding that powerful and featureful piece of software 😉
              And ultimately, where is MS Windows? Most PC users would expect a PC running that stated OS! 😉
              I suppose, users come to a particular distro because of its specific modus operandi and spirit…
              Making a distro is about customization, tuning and enhancing. Or else, what is the point of making a distro?

              >Changing the default search engine in firefox is very easy, so it is up to each of us to do so. Many users have already change to startpage.com or duckduckgo.com
              >nothing difficult about that
              Most users don’t reconfigure their machines.
              Most of those who do reconfigure do only few minor tweaks.
              So, I bet, most of antiX users are being tapped by the “don’t be evil”.

              Most users don’t care about names as long as search service delivers relevant info.

              So, I bet, more users would be saved and feel fine than would react negatively.

              Google makes money out of Google in Firefox, Mozilla makes money out of Google in Firefox, does antiX make money out of Google in Firefox? (rhetorical question)

              >This has come up before. Search the forum for an answer.
              Have not found. Neither by built-in search, nor by external.

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                I got a bit angry, so forgive me if I have not completely read your message.

                antiX use to default to startpage.com, but now Mozilla makes all new installations of Firefox reconfigure the default search engine to google.com
                NOT antiX’ fault.
                anticapitalista and the team already do more than what most people ask for, but when they cannot do something, you cannot come here and blame them.

                >This has come up before. Search the forum for an answer.
                Have not found. Neither by built-in search, nor by external.

                https://www.antixforum.com/forums/search/firefox+google/page/2/
                On the second page, somewhere below:
                https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/why-is-google-the-default-search/
                and you will see this:

                Actually, I just found out that it is firefox-esr 68 (or at least how debian package it) that is ignoring the distribution.ini file (used to set search engines etc).

                Firefox newtab advertising

                So, not a lot we can do about it except don’t use firefox-esr.

                and this:

                I am sort of puzzled why this would be considered a ‘bug’ of antiX distribution and as OS subject to criticism for the reason that producer of a major browser chose certain defaults which are considered targeted or biased.

                Sorry if my answer is a bit of an attack, but I feel the need to defend this distribution. Even though antiX is pre-configured, it is up to the user to change and adapt stuff to what they want/like. You cannot blame the distribution for the inactivity of user. You cannot blame the shop for the buyer’s choices. If I don’t want something, I don’t use/get it.

                My system is highly customized and, thanks to the great advise from people from the forum, I can make my system more secure. If people don’t want that it is up to them.

                antiX Live system enthusiast.
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                  I have found antiX to consistently be a responsible distribution.

                  We all try to identify the most efficient and secure tools and get them included, especially when another tool increases grabbing unwanted information.

                  We can’t guard or stop everything but we have a caring and concerned community that tries to be as helpful as possible.

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                    If you want to change the default search engine used, it takes about 30 seconds if Firefox is already running.

                    There are also bunch of other browsers that you can choose from and configure as you like on the Package Installer and Synaptic if you don’t like Firefox. After installing the one you like, you configure it, and if you want you can make it your default in the Control Centre, Desktop tab, Preferred Applications.

                    My systems also are tweaked to my liking. I do what I do because I like to.

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                      Quite a lot of posts on Firefox privacy already. Mozilla keeps moving the goalposts, blaming AntiX for that is unfair, in particular as the default search engine is far less privacy invasive than other default settings which are ALL OPT OUT.
                      If you just start Firefox Moz and their bedpartner googli will love and laugh at you for falling for their deceit.
                      BEFORE CONNECTING TO INTERNET AND STARTING FIREFOX: Setup a policies.json in distribution folder, add a user.js, we use one from ghacks. Check all relevant privacy settings in firefox, Remove hidden extensions from browser features folder, Install No Script, any language packs you need. ALL OFFLINE. If that suffices for you connect to internet and use Firefox. Every update you must take action, at least once a month, update user.js, again remove the hidden extensions, do some reading..
                      Palemoon is much less privacy invasive and memory efficient, we use it as far as possible.

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                        @uxer, do not blame Mozilla and moreover antiX in absence of security/privacy. All security/privacy settings there is on your own.

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                          Or maybe we have the fat green troll here?

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                            Where have you found me blaming antiX? Up till now I was just asking… and making an attempt to joke (those smiles should imply a joke, you know…)
                            If my sense of humour is incompatible with this forum’s one, I could switch mine off.
                            No insult was meant, please excuse me if any.

                            I appreciate antiX devs’ hard work, otherwise I wouldn’t try this distro, and it is because of my appreciation that I post here.

                            antiX use to default to startpage.com, but now Mozilla makes all new installations of Firefox reconfigure the default search engine to google.com
                            NOT antiX’ fault.
                            anticapitalista and the team already do more than what most people ask for

                            >This has come up before. Search the forum for an answer.
                            Have not found. Neither by built-in search, nor by external.

                            https://www.antixforum.com/forums/search/firefox+google/page/2/
                            On the second page, somewhere below:
                            https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/why-is-google-the-default-search/
                            and you will see this:

                            Actually, I just found out that it is firefox-esr 68 (or at least how debian package it) that is ignoring the distribution.ini file (used to set search engines etc).

                            Firefox newtab advertising

                            So, not a lot we can do about it except don’t use firefox-esr.

                            and this:

                            I am sort of puzzled why this would be considered a ‘bug’ of antiX distribution and as OS subject to criticism for the reason that producer of a major browser chose certain defaults which are considered targeted or biased.

                            Exhaustive answer, thank you, Xecure.

                            If you just start Firefox Moz and their bedpartner googli will love and laugh at you for falling for their deceit.
                            BEFORE CONNECTING TO INTERNET AND STARTING FIREFOX: Setup a policies.json in distribution folder, add a user.js, we use one from ghacks. Check all relevant privacy settings in firefox, Remove hidden extensions from browser features folder, Install No Script, any language packs you need. ALL OFFLINE. If that suffices for you connect to internet and use Firefox. Every update you must take action, at least once a month, update user.js, again remove the hidden extensions, do some reading..
                            Palemoon is much less privacy invasive and memory efficient, we use it as far as possible.

                            Valuable advices, thank you, ModdIt.
                            But as you can see, you have either easy-but-unsafe or safe-but-choreful ways… Life is hard…

                            I do respect Palemoon, but why haven’t you mentioned Basilisk, also by Moonchild?
                            Basilisk is somewhat more up-to-date, but both are rather obsolete afaik:
                            https://www.howtogeek.com/335712/update-why-you-shouldnt-use-waterfox-pale-moon-or-basilisk/
                            Palemoon vs Basilisk is a bit of confusion to me similar to antiX vs MX

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                              The one advantage of either Firefox or Chromium is that they are kept fairly up to date. Firefox actually has a nightly build for those who want the latest code. Of course that comes at a price too. Either you put up with a possibility of failures and the necessity to put your own modifications in each day. To me that implies backing up all configuration files that you have customized and create a script to extract them to a different place that you can access (home) and a small tool to write them back each time the code changes.

                              Nothing automatic there unless you are willing to take whatever they provide.

                              Same with any other browser. Perhaps you can see why some people become software geeks to figure out how things work and modify them to meet their own needs.

                              No system can anticipate every change but good systems provide the tools to do it and antiX has good tools and several people in the community have been sharing their own way of modifying their own system in ways that suit them.

                              That’s the value of communicating in a free software community. People do share with others but different people have different ideas and needs.

                              Does that make sense?

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                                Where have you found me blaming antiX?

                                I am sorry. I really misunderstood you.

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                                  I removed several messages as requested – 37054, 37055,37057 and 37072.

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