Onboard sound not detected

[Member kpollock]

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I recently installed AntiX 21 on a new laptop. It came with Windows, and I checked it out before replacing with AntiX. In Windows the sound worked fine using the onboard sound.

The sound does not work under AntiX, the onboard sound is simply not detected as an option, only HDMI.

I tried installing Pulse audio but that didn’t help.

I have read every link that I could find, and tried the solutions (including https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture/Troubleshooting#No_sound_with_onboard_Intel_sound_card) but nothing seems to help.

What else should I try and what other information should I add here to help find out what the problem is?

[Member marcelocripe]

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Hello kpollock.

Welcome to antiX Linux and the forum.

I don’t know how to write in English and I send my texts translated by the internet translator. I hope you can understand everything, if your native language is not English, please translate my original Brazilian Portuguese text directly into your language with the help of internet translators.

Regardless of your level of knowledge about GNU/Linux, I recommend you read these excellent tutorials created by @PPC:

What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.
How to: correctly use antiX forum.

When I first started using antiX, I read the tutorials that PPC created, these readings saved me a lot of time and I think it saves time for any new antiX user. Your time will not be wasted with these readings, everything will seem to be much easier than you could imagine. You won’t waste your time searching the internet or even creating new topics, on the contrary, you will gain a lot of time with these readings.

I recommend you try out desktops that have “zzz” in their name. I usually use zzz-IceWM or zzz-JWM or zzz-Fluxbox (each of these desktops has its own characteristics and consumes more or less resources), zzzFM will be the default file manager for your desktop, it it is very similar to the other file managers of other GNU/Linux distributions and Windows XP. To access other antiX workspaces, click on Menu, Desktop, Other Desktops and click on the workspace name, instantly the workspace will be loaded.

Whenever you need to ask for help or technical support in this forum, please explain in detail what is happening, don’t mince words, be thorough when writing, tell your computer characteristics such as make and model. If possible, post the result of the command $ inxi -Fxz from the terminal, copy and paste here in the message of the topic that you are going to create in this forum.

When you start a topic or participate with a post, remember to check the option “Notify me of follow-up replies via email”, by checking this option, you will receive a message in your email box whenever there are replies from topic in question.

What else should I try and what other information should I add here to help find out what the problem is?

Now can you understand why I get all new users with this text above?
“Whenever you need to ask for help or technical support in this forum, explain in detail what is happening, don’t mince words, be thorough when writing, inform the characteristics of your computer, such as the make and model. If possible, post the result of the command $ inxi -Fxz from the terminal, copy and paste here in the message of the topic that you are going to create in this forum.”

The sound does not work under AntiX, the onboard sound is simply not detected as an option, only HDMI.

Try the following sequence: click on the antiX menu, Applications, Multimedia, AlsaMixer, press the F6 key and select your sound card. If it doesn’t work with this option, try to find the Sound Card Selector option in the menus.

marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese language)

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Olá kpollock.

Seja bem-vindo(a) ao antiX Linux e ao fórum.

Eu não sei escrever em idioma Inglês e envio os meus textos traduzidos pelo tradutor da internet. Eu espero que você consiga compreender tudo, caso o seu idioma nativo não seja o Inglês, por favor, traduza o meu texto original em idioma Português do Brasil diretamente para o seu idioma com a ajuda dos tradutores da internet.

Independentemente do seu nível de conhecimento sobre GNU/Linux, eu recomendo você ler estes excelentes tutoriais criados pelo @PPC:

What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.
How to: correctly use antiX forum.

Quando eu comecei a utilizar o antiX, eu li os tutoriais que o PPC criou, estas leituras me pouparam muito do meu tempo e acho que poupa o tempo de qualquer novo usuário do antiX. O seu tempo não será perdido com estas leituras, tudo parecerá ser muito mais fácil do que você poderia imaginar. Você não perderá o seu tempo com pesquisas na internet ou até mesmo em criar novos tópicos, ao contrário, você ganhará muito tempo com estas leituras.

Eu recomendo você experimentar as áreas de trabalho que possuem “zzz” em seu nome. Eu costumo utilizar o zzz-IceWM ou zzz-JWM ou zzz-Fluxbox (cada uma destas áreas de trabalho possuem características próprias e consomem mais ou menos recursos), o zzzFM será o gerenciador de arquivos padrão da sua área de trabalho, ele é muito semelhante aos outros gerenciadores de arquivos das outras distribuições GNU/Linux e do Windows XP. Para acessar as outras áreas de trabalho do antiX, clique no Menu, Área de Trabalho, Alternar Entre as Áreas de Trabalho e clique sobre o nome da área de trabalho, instantaneamente a área de trabalho será carregada.

Sempre que você precisar solicitar ajuda ou suporte técnico neste fórum, explique com detalhes o que está acontecendo, não economize as palavras, seja minucioso ao escrever, informe as características do seu computador, como a marca e o modelo. Se for possível, poste o resultado do comando $ inxi -Fxz do terminal, copie e cole aqui na mensagem do tópico que você for criar neste fórum.

Quando você iniciar algum tópico ou participar com alguma postagem, lembre-se de marcar a opção “Notify me of follow-up replies via email”, marcando esta opção, você receberá uma mensagem na sua caixa de e-mail sempre que houver respostas do tópico em questão.

What else should I try and what other information should I add here to help find out what the problem is?

Agora você consegue compreender porque eu recebo todos os novos usuários com este texto acima?
“Sempre que você precisar solicitar ajuda ou suporte técnico neste fórum, explique com detalhes o que está acontecendo, não economize as palavras, seja minucioso ao escrever, informe as características do seu computador, como a marca e o modelo. Se for possível, poste o resultado do comando $ inxi -Fxz do terminal, copie e cole aqui na mensagem do tópico que você for criar neste fórum.”

The sound does not work under AntiX, the onboard sound is simply not detected as an option, only HDMI.

Tente a seguinte sequência: clique no menu do antiX, Aplicativos, Multimídia, AlsaMixer, pressione a tecla F6 e selecione a sua placa de som. Se não funcionar com esta opção, tente encontrar nos menus a opção Selecionador de Placa da Som.

marcelocripe
(Texto original em idioma Português do Brasil)

[Member kpollock]

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Thank you very much marcelocripe. Those links look useful, even if I have already used AntiX on 3 machines already (and been very happy).

The only options shown in the AlsaMixer are – default, 0 HDA Intel PCH, and 1 USB Camera. Default is Pulse Audio but it is not started as you can see below. I took it out of the startup to rule it out as a possible source of the problem.

There is simply no Analog device listed where I think there should be.

Output of aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

Output of /sbin/lsmod | grep snd
snd_usb_audio 270336 0
snd_usbmidi_lib 36864 1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi 40960 1 snd_usbmidi_lib
snd_seq_device 16384 1 snd_rawmidi
mc 53248 5 videodev,snd_usb_audio,videobuf2_v4l2,uvcvideo,videobuf2_common
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 69632 1
snd_hda_intel 49152 1
snd_intel_dspcfg 20480 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_codec 139264 2 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_core 86016 3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
snd_hwdep 16384 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm 114688 5 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
snd_timer 40960 1 snd_pcm
snd 94208 12 snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi
soundcore 16384 1 snd

Output of inxi -Fxz

System:
Kernel: 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 10.2.1 Desktop: IceWM v: 2.9.9
Distro: antiX-21_x64-full Grup Yorum 31 October 2021
base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: Tactus product: GeoBook 140 v: N/A
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: GEO model: IG218 serial: <superuser required>
UEFI: American Megatrends v: LC–059-IG218-D date: 09/15/2021
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 35.7 Wh (93.9%) condition: 38.0/38.0 Wh (100.0%)
volts: 7.6 min: N/A model: Emdoor Li-ion Battery status: discharging
CPU:
Info: dual core model: Intel Celeron N4020 bits: 64 type: MCP
arch: Goldmont Plus rev: 8 cache: L1: 112 KiB L2: 4 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 2387 high: 2728 min/max: 800/2800 cores: 1: 2728
2: 2047 bogomips: 4377
Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel GeminiLake [UHD Graphics 600] vendor: nCipher Security
driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen9.5 bus-ID: 00:02.0
Device-2: SunplusIT USB camera type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo
bus-ID: 1-6:4
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: fbdev gpu: i915
resolution: 1366×768
OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 128 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5
direct render: Yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Celeron/Pentium Silver Processor High Definition Audio
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 1-6:4
Device-2: SunplusIT USB camera type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo
Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes
Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: no
Network:
Device-1: Realtek RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
driver: rtw_8821ce v: N/A port: e000 bus-ID: 01:00.0
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8
bus-ID: 1-4:3
Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter>
bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.2
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 7.82 GiB (6.6%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Netac model: SSD 128GB size: 119.24 GiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 66.32 GiB used: 5.74 GiB (8.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
ID-2: /boot/efi size: 252 MiB used: 274 KiB (0.1%) fs: vfat
dev: /dev/sda1
ID-3: /home size: 44.28 GiB used: 2.08 GiB (4.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 5.75 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 57.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info:
Processes: 163 Uptime: 7m Memory: 3.67 GiB used: 1.14 GiB (31.0%)
Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 Packages: 1597
Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 inxi: 3.3.19

[Member ModdIt]

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Default is Pulse Audio but it is not started as you can see below.
I took it out of the startup to rule it out as a possible source of the problem.

If pulse is default but not running you can not expect sound to work.

There is a long recent thread on getting sound working.

Gist is to get rid of pulse completely, set default sound device, ensure alsamixer is not muted.

Usualy the control center application is enough to get sound setup with alsa. Did you try it ?.

[Member kpollock]

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Moddit – in the AlsaMixer, I am using the option to select the soundcard. So I would expect that I could change the selected sound card to the onboard analogue sound – but the option is not listed. Only the HDMI option. This leads me to believe that the onboard analog sound is somehow not detected by the OS. Which suggests to me that there is a more fundamental issue with detecting it.

Analog audio is not listed in pavucontrol either, when Pulse is running.

No, the sound didn’t work before I installed pulse audio. it DID work under Windows before I replaced it with AntiX.

I tried the Control Centre – if I remember rightly I could not access the sound card selection there and got an error. Let me check and get back to you.

I am happy to remove Pulse Audio, I’m not sure of the foolproof way to do so completely, but I can look it up and try 🙂

[Member marcelocripe]

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I am happy to remove Pulse Audio, I’m not sure of the foolproof way to do so completely, but I can look it up and try 🙂

The topic that ModdIt must have referred to is Pipewire to manage audio in antiX 21.
Don’t forget to check in the BIOS whether the sound card is active or not.
You can also test with a LiveUSB if the audio works on antiX 19.5 or antiX 21 with “legacy kernel” or if the audio works with Kernel 5.10.142 on antiX 21.
If you manage to solve your problem, remember to describe the solution here, so this thread can help others.

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I am happy to remove Pulse Audio, I’m not sure of the foolproof way to do so completely, but I can look it up and try 🙂

O tópico que o ModdIt deve ter se referido é Pipewire to manage audio in antiX 21.
Não se esqueça de verificar no BIOS se a placa de som está ativa ou não.
Você também pode testar com um LiveUSB se o áudio funciona no antiX 19.5 ou no antiX 21 com o “legacy kernel” ou se o áudio funciona com o Kernel 5.10.142 no antiX 21.
Se você conseguir resolver o seu problema, lembre-se de descrever a a solução aqui, assim este tópico poderá ajudar outras pessoas.

[Member ModdIt]

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Hi all,
Long thread is https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/alsa-and-hda-nvidia-guidance/

Sound setup with alsa is highly condensed howto.

Please do not let the title of the long thread fool you, it contains or points to a lot of
useful information on getting sound working with alsa.

I have never needed or used pipewire, pulse, a layer depending on alsa degrades sound so
I never use that either.

Remove pulse with apt is easy: please do read how to remove or install packages, it is
very useful knowledge.

I could just post a line to copy in to the terminal, choose not to do so, I assure you
familiarity with apt commands will be very useful to you now and in the future :-).
important tool

[Member kpollock]

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Thx for link!

You are right, command stuff plus learning to look stuff up is a super useful skill.

I’m totally familiar with the command line – I’m actually a nodejs developer ;-). I’ve just sometimes had apt not remove everything – but maybe that’s been down to me forgetting the complete set of packages I’ve installed!

[Moderator caprea]

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You are right , only HDMI devices are listed and the analog device is missing in aplay -l
We might find more information with
lspci | grep -i audio

This is kind of new and not everyday hardware, if you are lucky the installation of firmware-sof-signed will help.
https://packages.debian.org/en/source/bullseye/firmware-sof
Might a newer kernel is needed.

[Member kpollock]

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lspci | grep -i audio

00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Celeron/Pentium Silver Processor High Definition Audio (rev 06)

An onboard sound card is not “everyday hardware”? Every laptop I have had for 10 years has had onboard sound and video, never seperate cards!

[Member kpollock]

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ok, so what is firmware-sof-signed exactly, and what are the risks associated with installing it? Even its GitHub page is not enlightening, though it does seem to at least indicate how to install it. Sometimes I despair of my fellow developer brethren. It isn’t cool or clever to miss out the basics. It isn’t just for noobs, but a courtesy to one’s peer with perhaps no experience in this particular area and not got hours and days to go investigating.

I do despair sometimes, getting sound out of a PC these days should not be a trial, it should “just work”. Especially since I know the hardware does work with another O/S.

[Member ModdIt]

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https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-sof-signed
Intel SOF firmware – signed

Provides the Intel SOF audio firmware and topology needed for audio functionality on some Intel system.

getting sound out of a PC these days should not be a trial, it should “just work”

Please tell that to those enforcing DCMA, the Patent lawyers who are in process of killing linux multimedia.
See Red Hat and SuSe removing some non free codecs. And above all those companys from the Land of The Free,
what a shitty joke,
who refuse to let users own and use what what they paid for without hindrance.

[Member kpollock]

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https://debian.pkgs.org/11/debian-nonfree-amd64/firmware-sof-signed_1.7-1_all.deb.html Seems to give the clearest installation instructions. I have no idea why this reply seems to keep getting rejected as spam but hopefully if I type a bigger message, it might get through and be perhaps helpful to anyone following in my footsteps.

[Member kpollock]

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It might help to just say what SOF stands for! 🙂

In any case, for those e hoping for a solution, installing it made no difference. But I am not sure if I might need to do some setup, the readme didn’t say.

On the broader topic, I agree that hardware and software should be as independent of each other as possible, whilst acknowledging that there might be some practical difficulties. As a software professional, I am not averse to paying for software :-). But often one does not even get the option. There should also be free alternatives for those who can’t afford it – but I stress ALTERNATIVES – I don’t support (all) outright piracy. YMMV.

[Member kpollock]

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So, looking up “Intel Corporation Celeron/Pentium Silver Processor High Definition Audio” gets me to https://linux-hardware.org/?id=pci:8086-3198-1c6c-122a

The device is supported by kernel versions 4.11 and newer according to the LKDDb

and

$ uname -r
5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp

I would assume “support” to include Analog output support. But I am not having much luck. I could not see anything obvious in the BIOS either, but it isn’t the first time for me that things have checked out in the BIOS and not worked under Linux (specifically AntiX)

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