Open Document Graphics files…Not terribly “open”

[Member stevesr0]

I thought that open document formats were widely supported in the major office applications in Linux, Mac and Windows operating systems. Today, I sent a birthday card in ODG format, created with LibreOffice Draw and my daughter (a Windows user) couldn’t open it.

So I tried to open it in NON LibreOffice programs and found that neither Firefox or ImageMagick could handle this format.

Ultimately, I exported the file to a pdf from LibreOffice Draw.

Isn’t this format supposed to be usable with standard programs in other OSes? If so, which ones?

(I realize this isn’t primarily an antiX issue…)

stevesr0

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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I’ve been successful in using several different word processing formats with Word, LibreOffice, OpenOffice, StarOffice, WordPerfect, and Google Docs. I may have used others too, but this list spans over 25 years and during that time I never had a problem. I even worked on a few documents in LibreOffice at home and sent them to work and continued to use Word. I was only able to perform such experiments in limited situations and definitely not in the past 10-15 years; too much regulatory concerns to even consider such things today!

I have been able to experiment with Excel and LibreOffice. Same between Excel and Google Sheets; never tested drawing; it’s not something I do or use.

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Brian Masinick

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I’m pretty sure that .ODG, just like .XCF in Gimp, is not really supposed to be used as a portable image format but instead is the format that Libreoffice uses to save information about your project, with lots of XML and metadata about what you are doing with the project. You are supposed to export it to portable image formats like .png or .jpg when you are ready to share the image with someone.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I’m wrong on this one.

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Andy, much better answer than my previous comments.

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…ODG format…

Isn’t this format supposed to be usable with standard programs in other OSes? If so, which ones?

stevesr0, what I think about it:

LibreOffice and most of the GNU/Linux I tested before coming to antiX have compatibility to “see” various formats (file extensions). On Windows, his “world” is closed and he only “sees” his format. What he doesn’t “see”, he says is “corrupted” (laughs).

When you create a file in LibreOffice, go to the File menu, Save As, choose the Office 2003-2007 format, it will use the file extension with 3 letters (.doc, .xls, ppt, etc.) and not with 4 letters (.docx, .xlsx, pptx, etc.) which is used by Office 2007-2013 and 365. The 3-letter file extension formats ensure greater compatibility between LibreOffice on antiX and Office on Windows.

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…ODG format…

Isn’t this format supposed to be usable with standard programs in other OSes? If so, which ones?

stevesr0, o que eu penso sobre isso:

O LibreOffice e a maioria dos GNU/Linux que eu testei antes de chegar no antiX possuem compatibilidade para “enxergar” vários formatos (extensões de arquivos). No Windows, o “mundo” dele é fechado e ele só “enxerga” o formato dele. O que ele não “enxerga”, ele diz que está “corrompido” (risos).

Quando você criar um arquivo no LibreOffice, vá até o menu Arquivo, Salvar como, escolha o formato Office 2003-2007, ele usará a extensão do arquivo com 3 letras (.doc, .xls, ppt, etc.) e não com 4 letras (.docx, .xlsx, pptx, etc.) que é utilizado pelo Office 2007-2013 e 365. Os formatos de extensão do arquivo com 3 letras garantem maior compatibilidade entre o LibreOffice do antiX e o Office do Windows.

[Member stevesr0]

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Thanks for the responses. I kind of agree with all of them <g>.

I am just surprised at the difference I believe exists between Microsoft Office compatibility with open word processor text and calc formats and with the ?? lack of compatibility with the drawing format.

All of the “open document” formats are products of the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS) and I thought that Microsoft Office recent versions were supposed to be able to read and edit them.

I imagine it isn’t that simple and that even with word processing files (ODT), there are features that may not transfer in a seamless fashion.

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Obrigado pelas respostas. Eu meio que concordo com todos eles. Estou surpreso com a diferença que acredito existir entre a compatibilidade do Microsoft Office com texto do processador de palavras abertas e formatos calc e com o?? falta de compatibilidade com o formato de desenho. Todos os formatos de “documento aberto” são produtos da Organização para o Avanço dos Padrões de Informação Estruturado (OASIS) e eu pensei que as versões recentes do Microsoft Office deveriam ser capazes de lê-las e editá-las. Imagino que não seja tão simples e que mesmo com arquivos de processamento de palavras (ODT), existem recursos que podem não ser transferidos de forma perfeita.

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[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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Compatibility is related to the frequency with which each component is actually used and tested.

Word processing is by far the most used and tested. The text in the word processing transfers well; the precise format, positioning and appearance, not as much.

Spreadsheet is next, with a big dropoff compared to text/word processing. CSV is probably the appropriate level of compatibility; not zero but minimal.

Other features in the suite is lucky to have anything at all actually work. Why? Very minimal usage and next to no testing.

How often do we test any compatibility between suites?

I can’t remember the last time but it was some years ago.

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I thought that recent Microsoft Office versions were supposed to be able to read and edit them.

I remember using in Office XP/2003 one or two extension modules (plug-in, add-in, add-on), one to open “.docx” documents and the other to open documents with the code format open. I remember at the time it was very difficult for me to find virus-free installers. As you may know, everything in Windows ends up in computer viruses. I tried to find articles on this subject in English to help you, but when I search for a subject for other people I always get several sites in my language, when I research a subject for myself I get several sites in English.

You will need to translate the texts below into your language:
Use Excel to open or save a spreadsheet in OpenDocument Spreadsheet (.ods) format

How to open BrOffice documents in Microsoft Office
Be aware of the high possibility of having viruses in the installers of the programs available on this page. I still find it safer to use the procedure I described above.

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I thought that Microsoft Office recent versions were supposed to be able to read and edit them.

Eu me lembro de ter utilizado no Office XP/2003 um ou dois módulos de extensão (plug-in, add-in, add-on), um para abrir documentos “.docx” e o outro para abrir documentos com o formato de código aberto. Eu me lembro que na época foi muito difícil para eu encontrar os instaladores sem vírus. Como você deve saber, tudo no Windows acaba em vírus de computador. Eu tentei econtrar matérias sobre este assundo em idioma Inglês para te ajudar, mas quando eu pesquiso sobre algum assunto para outras pessoas eu sempre recebo vários sítios em meu idioma, quando eu pesquiso algum assunto para mim eu recebo vários sítios em Inglês.

Você precisará traduzir para o seu idioma os textos abaixo:
Use o Excel para abrir ou salvar uma planilha no formato Planilha OpenDocument (.ods)

Como abrir documentos do BrOffice no Microsoft Office
Fique atento a grande possibilidade de ter vírus nos instaladores dos programas disponibilizados nesta página. Eu ainda acho mais seguro utilizar o procedimento que eu descrevi acima.

[Member olsztyn]

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Brian Masinick wrote:

Compatibility is related to the frequency with which each component is actually used and tested.
Word processing is by far the most used and tested. The text in the word processing transfers well; the precise format, positioning and appearance, not as much.
Spreadsheet is next, with a big dropoff compared to text/word processing. CSV is probably the appropriate level of compatibility; not zero but minimal.
Other features in the suite is lucky to have anything at all actually work. Why? Very minimal usage and next to no testing.

Thank you! Very well articulated…
I do not think there is an office suite that is able to match the established standard in terms of fidelity of format, except perhaps PDF comes as the closest, but only if you use one of very few products out there…

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I’ll express this in a slightly different way: there are a few formats that have very definite specifications. The PDF format is one such format. The Open Document project has several formats, one of which is ODF, which is a rich content text+ format. The real problem is that various vendor implementations implement whatever elements in the reference standards that they CHOOSE to implement.

For me, I don’t use Microsoft Office at all any more (at least I haven’t). If somebody needs something and they can’t read what I produce for some reason, maybe I’ll go to a public library if that ever happens, but I’ve actually produced resumes in the past in LibreOffice, then saved the output in 3 different output formats, or sometimes even four formats: 1) ODF format, which is the usual LibreOffice Document format, 2) PDF, the very common, nearly universal read only output format, 3) DOCX, one of the more current Microsoft Word Document formats, and sometimes 4) DOC, the OLD Microsoft Office format. LibreOffice can read or write any of these formats. I’ve tried reading files created by LibreOffice by visiting a library and reading document attachments from free Email programs( Gmail or Yahoo Mail). Haven’t had any problems.

I don’t use very many other formats; on a few occasions I’ve used Excel spreadsheets, Google Sheets or Google Docs; these are also translatable into other formats, and that works too.

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I’m not anti Microsoft or anti Google. I enjoy freely available software and that’s what I choose for my OWN systems, but I’m not against others using whatever they want and whatever they choose. To me, that’s true freedom of choice.

Naturally when I’m using my older computers, antiX is frequently the distribution of choice, but I use many other distributions too, depending on what I’m doing. At the moment, for instance, I’m using a freshly installed instance of EndeavourOS on an aging Lenovo Thinkpad X201. I had antiX 19.5 on it previously, and I’ll eventually replace EndeavourOS with a newer instance of antiX or possibly keep EndeavourOS here and ALSO run antiX with one of my frugal instances; that could be FUN too!

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[Member ile]

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hello stevesr0 and everyone
sidestep the odt odg docx question ;
what andyprough stated ” to export it to portable image formats like .png or .jpg when you are ready to share ”
.((even screenshot it to make png or jpg))
when the intent is to share a final copy “Save As .html”
from odg in Draw “Export” Create .html.
send share as .html,
everyone has a browser to open .html file.
(?)

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ile wrote:

hello stevesr0 and everyone
sidestep the odt odg docx question ;
what andyprough stated ” to export it to portable image formats like .png or .jpg when you are ready to share ”
.((even screenshot it to make png or jpg))
when the intent is to share a final copy “Save As .html”
from odg in Draw “Export” Create .html.
send share as .html,
everyone has a browser to open .html file.
(?)

Excellent! Yes, that is perhaps the most versatile option out of all of them we’ve mentioned. Thanks for sharing it!

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Mister Brian. attempting to modernize; send share as a screenshot or a web page.
antiX has tools to accommodate file formats for the recipient.

i guess, installing libreoffice makes it “open” open.

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Use plain text files. No compatibility issues whatsoever.

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