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ModdIt
Hi all,
bit late, had hoped to be able to get this in to a discussion with a school class, failed, curriculum is too condensed in part due covid.
I point new users to control center. Also install badwolf and add to toolbar, gives links to forum wiki etc.b. 800×600 should be sufficient even for 10-20 years old hardware * Agree
2. Automatic HiDPI display detection and pop up dialog box with 20 second timeout, and if no manual override, automatically change to readable settings,
3. Automatic internet connection detection and pop up connman connection if not connected
4. Quick Setup: – one panel, simple, * Point to control center rather than multiple buttons for settings contained there anyway.
* Point to Xecure further help and information from the control center * further help buttonAt present most of what is in the control center is repeated in the menus, if this is repeated again on the welcome screen the reduncy and increases.
PPC
Well, this thread seems to have really picked up some steam…
@Bobc – I think I read that antiX’s minimal requirements for a GUI interface si 800×600 – so, whatever the format of the “welcome screen” it should be no bigger that than.
On the screen’s memory use, mine clocks in less than 10Mb, on antiX 19.2 full, 64bits – so it should work on just about any computer@Xecure– you are right on the fact that my proposed minimal script for checking connectivity and, if none is found, turn wi-fi on and present connman’s wi-fi configuration screen- it has software requirements- but as it is in most of my scripts, I assume that users have antiX’s “full” version. Those that do not use the “full” version should be aware that there is some packages that they are missing (true, that we’ve seen here in the forum some people that don’t install that version because they have no way to do so- no bootable usb, no access to dvd-rom’s, etc- those people, unfortunalty, will have to turn on wi-fi the “hard” way)
“Wi-fi” script’s To do (please someone pick that up, I probably won’t do it any time soon):
What my tiny “wi-fi” script needs some “error correction”: either of the 2 required applications (cmst and connmanctl) is not present, don’t run it. After trying to turn on wi-fi networking, check if it’s on, if not, don’t bother starting cmst… After all, there should be millions of laptops all over the world that are no where near a wi-fi network or the user has no access to any of the wi-fi networks that are available- why spring an empty or useless connman window on them- that would seem like “bloat” to those users…
So, what’s missing:
– if connmanctl returns something like “Error wifi: Method “SetProperty” with signature “sv” on interface “net.connman.Technology” doesn’t exist”, then abort script (there is no wi-fi card probably).
– … If it does not, check if there are any wi-fi networks detected- if not, abort…
– There should always be a warning run before launching connman, asking if the user wants antiX to always try to detect and configure wi-fi networks at startup…Small rant:
My small wi-fi script also assumes that connman can connect to the user’s wi-fi network. I’ve tested connman with 4 wi-fi networks over this year and it never had problem connecting a network or recognizing the wireless network cards (well antiX, and MX refuse to work with my old atheros card, that used to work with a 10 year’s old Mint version, but that’s a driver problem, not connman’s). So I’ll assume that the same applies to most users (I know that, for some reason, sometimes connman can’t make a particular connection and the old wi-fi connection manager can)…
I’ve seen, here in the forum is people that can’t click an icon that’s staring them on the face, even when told multiple times where to click. I don’t mean to disrespect them- as a computer user, that happened to me dozens of times during the last 25 years, specially when trying to get used to something new… So I found it would be a good idea to simply automate the process as much as possible- the user already has wi-fi turned on, already has connman open, already has the right tab open. If the user has no knowlege to click the right wireless network and think that the next step is clicking the “Connect” button, then entering the password (in a field that says “passphrase”, true, but no one explained that it’s a different name for the same thing, I figured it out without being a computer wizard) then probably that user would not know how to do it in any other system, beeing on antiX will be the least of that user’s problems…My take on the “welcome screen”:
The portuguese version of the “welcome screen” I shared here is more of a mix of a “welcome screen” and a “Control Panel” than simply a welcome screen.
Because some of the applications antiX uses to manage configurations are completely or partially in English (most people in Brazil do not understand English- no matter what you see in American movies), most options have tooltips that tell the user every single step needed to perform any change (imagine using a simple tool, like the wallpaper selection GUI, but without understanding a single word, other than “ok”, having to relly on the icons of the buttons or very unreliable common sense…)
And the entries that rely on internet connection directly state that- non tech savvy users may not make the connection that, without an internet connection they can’t install stuff from the repository- because, well, Windows XP and 7 had no repositories -except the official MS one, used for system upgrades- they used cd-roms, dvd-roms, pen drives and .exe and .msi files downloaded from the internet, but that do not require an internet connection to be installed)
I tried to organize information and use expressions a regular (pre Windows 10) user would recognize, just to make like easier – Hardware?- all on the same place, etc…
That is the reason why more than half of the entries of my “welcome screen” repeat what’s available in Control Centre – because nearly everything is available there (in my opinion it should also have the excelent and simple GUI to add/remove commands to the desktops’s startup scripts)Entries missing on my “welcome screen”:
For space and simplicity, I ended up cutting out some very needed entries- like the Forum’s link, and it requires many more entries- like links to the in built help files, the wiki, Xecure’s Wifi toogle script and a detailed entry on how to work with hi-dpi, how to access mobile devices (and even a way to download and configure my script to access cloud drives- “antiX_access_cloud”- could be handy, just to be thorough)Having all that and no more than a couple entries would be overkill- if there’s too much information, the user will simply ignore it, and then end up here in the forum, asking how to add icons to the desktop, getting a RTFM angry and tired answer, felling despised by the community, and leaving antiX for Lubuntu or whatever…
P.S.- If it was up to me, I would always include Xecure’s “welcome screen” or any variation of it in antiX by default- I consider it a kind of useful “interactive manual”, that should be on the menu, on the “help” section
P.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by PPC.
BobC
Each of the 3 has a different use it seems. Mine is directed at a new user unfamiliar with antiX and setting it up for the first time or having an issue setting it up that they might be able to resolve quickly, and written expecting that after they are up and running they will turn it off.
I agree even if Xecures takes a bunch of memory it’s worth keeping as a help thing.
I understand why yours belongs too for day to day use as a helper. M
Moddit, what if on the screen we tell the person where to look for the button on the menus or control Centre but still leave the button functional? The control Centre app has no way to pop up on a particular tab or icon on that tab.
Longer term it would get the user to use the control Centre, but i think most people these days would be expecting the button to work and not just tell them where to go. I suppose that is a question for anticapitalista as to how he wants it to work.PS: I will add another thought. Along the lines of Moddit’s suggestion, we could pop up the control centre and a yad popup that explains where to find each of those common first time tasks on the control centre tabs. It isn’t going to directly solve problems, but does get them to find the control centre and understand where things like changing the keyboard to a different language are on it. It could mention that the control centre, app-select and help are there on the main menu and have a don’t show me again checkbox. If we solve the screen and wifi issues for them up front, there might not be as many other problems that need to be solved.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by BobC.
Xecure
I agree with BobC. Even if there are “duplicates”, it is better to be able to find a launcher to the same program in different places.
I also like BobC’s simple approach. Little text, big icons, first things a user needs.
here is a little sketch-up following BobC’s design, including the “Don’t launch this anymore” checkbox.
antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.Lol, I like Xecures vision of my design better than mine.
I see the login info is there. Too early, need coffee.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by BobC.
marcelocripe
Hi @BobC,
You know that the words I send written in English are all translated by an internet translator. I don’t know how these words reach you or what they do. I don’t know how hard words can get to you, because they were created by a program or a machine. I would really like to be able to write correctly in English to be able to communicate with you, without my having to depend on the internet translators.
I apologize if the translated words are rude or incomprehensible. Even though we currently have translators available on the internet, this resource is getting better every day. Without translators, I would not venture to join a Linux community. The English language and the lack of internet access have always been the main reasons that took me so long to start studying a Linux distribution. Then someone may ask: “But is there no Linux distribution there in Brazil?”
Answer: Yes, there are distributions on Linux in Brazil, but they are increasingly fewer. But I did not find any Brazilian Linux distribution that would allow me to revive several old computers as is possible with antiX, except computers that have motherboards with SIS or VIA chipset.
@PPC you described exactly how we use Windows here, with just a DVD or USB stick full of programs, it serves as an “offline repository” for installing programs, antivirus or antivirus or operating system updates. And you are absolutely right when you said “Because some of the applications antiX uses to manage configurations are completely or partially in English (most people in Brazil do not understand English- no matter what you see in American movies)”. In the films, it is not possible to mention the gigantic illiteracy present even in the 21st century, we call here “functional illiteracy” (“individuals who, although they know how to recognize letters and numbers, are unable to understand simple texts, as well as perform more elaborate mathematical operations.”). Our films portray here as being a country of parties and Carnival parades all year long (samba school parades take place only 5 (five) days before Ash Wednesday). But not quite, we work about 10 to 12 hours a day, we lose 3 others or 4 hours in public transport and in traffic to go to work and return home. “Time to read books”, I almost can’t read emails … We have much bigger problems here …
@PPC thank you so much for this kindness, the Control Panel, this really is the best name. It serves as a guide for novice users to get to other configuration programs, utilities, etc.
About the icons in the example image that @BobC posted on November 23, 2020 at 6:18 am, the icons that I recognize, without considering that I have been using antiX since June 2020.
(order of icons from top to bottom, comment: “look at the icon” or “look at the text”)
1 Keyboard (obviously), look at the icon
2 I don’t see the icon, I look at the text
3 Network icon on the cable, does not match the text “Wi-Fi”. Question: In case it would be better to have the two connection icons, one via cable and the other wireless.
4 Clock, I look at the icon, but I recognize the text because it is similar to the Portuguese language
5 I don’t see the icon, I look at the text
6 I don’t see the icon, I look at the text
7 Search, look at the icon
8 I don’t see the icon, I look at the text
9 I don’t see the icon, I look at the textIcon with the question mark “?”, I look at the icon.
Icon with “gear”, I look at the icon.
Icon with the “X”, it would be better if it was in another color, perhaps red, or another that was similar to that of the most used internet browsers in the world.It is very good to be able to identify which antiX is running.
While I typed @Xecure I quickly posted another version. Its speed is impressive!
(order of icons from top to bottom, left column, comment: “look at the icon” or “look at the text”)
1 Keyboard (obviously), look at the icon
2 “Wi-Fi” network icon. Question: In case it would be better to have the two connection icons, one via cable and the other wireless.
3 I don’t see the icon, I look at the text.(icon order from top to bottom, right column, comment: “look at the icon” or “look at the text”)
1 Clock (for being obvious), I look at the icon, but I recognize the text because it is similar to the Portuguese language
2 Wall, look at the icon (@Xecure, the icon is perfect!)
3 Noidentify the icon, look at the text4 I don’t see the icon, I look at the text. I don’t know why, but I can’t see the orange gear at a glance for this icon.
Now that the @PPC script has acquired another name, “Control Panel”, I already imagine where I will include it in the installations that I do with antiX, but it would be good if the team evaluated the possibility of using it in the operating system.
The @Xecure script for me is already the “Help” that I should translate and that I will include in the installations that I do with antiX. I have to be able to learn to include a link to the “Help” that already exists in antiX.
Colleagues, the welcome screen is getting better and better.
Congratulations to all of you!
Thank you.
marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)———-
Olá @BobC,
Você sabe que as palavras que eu envio escritas em idioma Inglês são todas traduzidas por um tradutor da internet. Eu não sei como estas palavras chegam para vocês ou o que chegam. Eu não sei o quão duras as palavras podem chegar para vocês, pois foram criadas por um programa ou uma máquina. Eu gostaria muito de poder saber escrever corretamente em Inglês para poder me comunicar com vocês, sem eu ter que depender dos tradutores da internet.
Eu peço desculpas se as palavras traduzidas são rudes ou incompreensíveis. Ainda bem que atualmente temos os tradutores disponíveis na internet, este recurso está cada dia melhor. Sem os tradutores eu não me aventuraria a participar de uma comunidade Linux. O idioma Inglês e a falta de acesso a internet sempre foram os principais motivos que me fizeram demorar tanto para começar a estudar uma distribuição Linux. Aí alguém pode perguntar: “Mas não existe distribuição Linux aí no Brasil?”
Resposta: Sim, existem distribuições no Linux no Brasil, mas estão cada vez em menor número. Mas eu não encontrei nenhuma distribuição Linux Brasileira que me permitisse reviver vários computadores antigos como está sendo possível com o antiX, exceto computadores que possuem placas-mãe com chipset SIS ou VIA.
@PPC você descreveu exatamente como usamos o Windows aqui, com apenas um DVD ou pendrive repleto de programas serve de “repositório offline” para a instalação de programas, antivírus ou atualizações do antivírus ou do sistema operacional. E você tem toda razão quando disse “Because some of the applications antiX uses to manage configurations are completely or partially in English (most people in Brazil do not understand English- no matter what you see in American movies)”. Nos filmes, não permitem citar o analfabetismo gigantesco presente mesmo no século XXI, nós chamamos aqui de “analfabetismo funcional” (“os indivíduos que, embora saibam reconhecer letras e números, são incapazes de compreender textos simples, bem como realizar operações matemáticas mais elaboradas.”). Nós filmes retratam aqui como sendo um país de festas e desfile de Carnaval o ano todo (os desfiles das escolas de samba ocorrem apenas 5 (cinco) dias antes da quarta feira de cinzas). Mas não é bem assim, trabalhamos cerca de 10 a 12 horas por dia, perdemos outras 3 ou 4 horas nos transportes coletivos e no transito para ir ao trabalho e voltar para casa. “Tempo para ler livros”, quase não consigo ler os e-mails … Temos problemas muito maiores aqui …
@PPC muito obrigado por esta gentileza, o Painel de Controle, este realmente é o melhor nome. Ele serve de guia para os usuários iniciantes conseguirem chegar até os outros programas de configurações, utilitários e etc.
Sobre os ícones da imagem do exemplo que o @BobC postou no dia 23 de novembro de 2020 às 6h18, os ícones que eu reconheço, sem considerar que utilizo o antiX desde junho de 2020.
(ordem dos ícones de cima para baixo, comentário: “olho para o ícone” ou “olho para o texto”)
1 Teclado (por ser óbvio), olho para o ícone
2 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o texto
3 Ícone de rede no cabo, não condiz com o texto “Wi-Fi”. Pergunta: Por caso seria melhor ter os dois ícones de conexão, um via cabo e outro sem fio.
4 Relógio, olho para o ícone, mas reconheço o texto por ser similar ao idioma Português
5 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o texto
6 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o texto
7 Busca, olho para o ícone
8 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o texto
9 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o textoÍcone com o sinal de interrogação “?”, olho para o ícone.
Ícone com a “engrenagem”, olho para o ícone.
Ícone com a “X”, seria melhor se fosse em outra cor, talvez vermelha, ou outra que fosse semelhante ao dos navegadores de internet mais utilizados no mundo.É muito bom poder ter a identificação de qual antiX está sendo executado.
Enquanto eu digitava o @Xecure rapidamente já postou outra versão. É impressionante a sua rapidez!
(ordem dos ícones de cima para baixo, coluna esquerda, comentário: “olho para o ícone” ou “olho para o texto”)
1 Teclado (por ser óbvio), olho para o ícone
2 Ícone de rede “Wi-Fi”. Pergunta: Por caso seria melhor ter os dois ícones de conexão, um via cabo e outro sem fio.
3 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o texto.(ordem dos ícones de cima para baixo, coluna direita, comentário: “olho para o ícone” ou “olho para o texto”)
1 Relógio (por ser óbvio), olho para o ícone, mas reconheço o texto por ser similar ao idioma Português
2 Parede, olho para o ícone (@Xecure, o ícone ficou perfeito!)
3 Não identifico o ícone, olho o texto4 Não identifico o ícone, olho para o texto. Eu não sei porque, mas eu não consigo enxergar a engrenagem laranja em uma olhada rápida para este ícone.
Agora que o script do @PPC ganhou outro nome, “Painel de Controle”, eu já imagino onde eu irei incluir nas instalações que eu fizer do antiX, mas seria bom se a equipe avaliassem a possibilidade de utilizá-lo no sistema operacional.
O script do @Xecure para mim já é a “Ajuda” que eu deverei traduzir e que irei incluir nas instalações que eu fizer do antiX. Eu tenho que conseguir aprender a incluir um link para a “Ajuda” que já existe no antiX.
Colegas, está cada vez melhor a tela de boas vindas.
Parabéns a todos!
Muito obrigado.
marcelocripe
(Texto original em Português do Brasil)
Brian Masinick
@marcelocripe: Your translated text reads in common English as good as anyone here so don’t worry about it or the translation. You come across as well educated, so congratulations for overcoming the many obstacles that you face to contribute to antiX.
Your questions and comments are important, useful and helpful.
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Brian MasinickXecure,
nice, you win, the design looks good.
just wondering why you have a connection button left and on the right network. Confusing I would not know which one to click.
Repo and packages and Install programs same, especialy as this is a welcome where the new user needs to have a look around
the system and see if he wants more applications than are already provided. I would tend to use label applications rather
than programs, guess aplicationes might feel wrong to Portugese speakers. (if correct)I would tend towards a functional button to bring up the control center on the welcome screen as well as in main menu.
Maybe add under the do not show this window again message. Something like below.All functions are available in control center or are menu items.
@marcelocripe: There is no problem with what you said. I will try to write more clearly for you.
I like Xecure’s icons better, but he needs to get his script so it doesn’t require 100 mb of memory to run. I like to see icons that I will recognize so I know already what that icon’s purpose is without needing to read the words, but the words should make it clear.
Right now the words are in English only, but later they will get translated to each language as needed on that person’s screen.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by BobC.
Moddit,
The left button is to Connect via WiFi, Bluetooth, or Cable. The right one is to control the Firewall.
Again, right now this is all in English, but before it’s completed the English will be translated.
Dave
PS: I still need a way to add that checkbox to avoid seeing the Quick setup screen again.
Dave anwsered a page ago in this topic, pointing to:
~/.desktop-session/desktop-session.conf
STARTUP_DIALOG_CMD=/path/to/welcomescript
The conf file would ship with a default stating STARTUP_DIALOG=”true”
and upon capturing checkbox has been clicked, your script would
sed ‘s/STARTUP_DIALOG=”true”/STARTUP_DIALOG=”false”/g’ ~/.desktop-session/desktop-session.conf
(the ‘g’ modifier is just for good measure; only one occurrence should be present)The above does not address suppressing the dialog during non-persistent liveboot session.
I’ll wrassle that detail in a followup post.Please note I am only glancing over this thread to have a rough idea on the subject. I do like the progress/effort/input from everyone in this thread taking on the task.
On the sed command. I tend to use something similar (note may not be 100%) sed -i ‘s/^STARTUP_DIALOG=.*/STARTUP_DIALOG=”true”/g’ ~/.desktop-session/desktop-session.conf for enabling and likewise sed -i ‘s/^STARTUP_DIALOG=.*/STARTUP_DIALOG=”false”/g’ ~/.desktop-session/desktop-session.conf for disabling. This is because ^ will make sure the line is not commented out. .* to make sure it selects the whole line to avoid forming a line (and therefor an error) like STARTUP_DIALOG=”false”true”Another note. In the past (as the startup script is late in the process) I was working on making a “plugin” directory /usr/local/lib/desktop-session/plugins/). There you could make a script, put it in the plugin directory and add the plugin name to the desktop-session.conf file like PLUGINS=”plugin1|plugin2|plugin3″ which would happen earlier in the process then the startup script. Food for thought if you run into timing issues / delays.
Another suggestion. Instead of being concerned over window size / screen resolution maybe open full screen?
I personally would be annoyed by it… but it would force the user to acknowledge/read the options before seeing the full desktop.
Just another item to ponder.As far as the non persistent annoyance. It may need to have a boot option. Perhaps adding to the antiX=[a-z][A-Z] boot cheat (which already disables some services and other things) to suppress startup notifications/update scripts.
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@BobC,
The left button is to Connect via WiFi, Bluetooth, or Cable. The right one is to control the Firewall.I meant the button labeled connection on left side of window under antiX graphic. Firewall is absolutely clear
marcelocripe
@Moddit,
You are right about the word “Apps”.
I learned from @PPC in the Portuguese section of the forum, that “Applications” is the word used in Portugal, the word used in Brazil is “Applications”. The word “Investments” here is used for “financial investments”.
I believe that @Xecure used “Programs” because this is the way that Windows users are used to use, it would be the short form of “Application Programs”, the word “Applications” has come to be used a lot due to Android.
When it is time for translation, I would like to collaborate @BobC.
If the button shows “Programs” or “Applications” I believe that most people will be able to understand. That’s why I reinforce the work done by @PPC, it even has comments when the mouse pointer stops over the menu text, in the comment there are many more words than in the menu text.
I don’t know if in German and in other languages, if it is possible to understand with just one word what the button does or what it is for.
It is unfortunate that other Brazilian antiX users do not participate in the forum. I have already discovered some of the reasons for not participating, some are afraid to expose themselves, others are ashamed. I know very well that there is no need to be afraid or ashamed here, as everyone respects each other, regardless of their level of knowledge.
Mr. @Masinick, I thank you for informing me that you are managing to understand the translations well. I try very hard to write in a way that doesn’t misunderstand or double mean in sentences. Therefore, I believe it is safer to continue sending in both languages.
When you are going to read the translated text, please compare it with the quoted texts written in Brazilian Portuguese to those written in English. Note that you will be able to see that some words that I write differently (different writing) come to you in English in the same way (same writing).
It is something similar to what happens with the words “update” and “upgrade”, in Portuguese both are translated as “update”, but we know that they have different meanings. I still have difficulties explaining “update” and “upgrade” with a few words in the translations of the website https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/translate/#pt_BR.
marcelocripe
marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)———-
@Moddit,
Você tem razão sobre a palavra “Aplicativos”.
Eu aprendi com o @PPC na área em Português daqui do fórum, que “Aplicações” é a palavra utilizada em Portugal, a palavra utilizada no Brasil é “Aplicativos”. A palavra “Aplicações” aqui é utilizada para “aplicações financeiras”.
Eu acredito que o @Xecure utilizou “Programas” pois essa é a forma que os usuários do Windows estão acostumados a utilizar, seria a forma resumida de “Programas Aplicativos”, a palavra “Aplicativos” passou a ser muito utilizada devido ao Android.
Quando for o momento para a tradução, eu gostaria de colaborar @BobC.
Se no botão for exibido “Programas” ou “Aplicativos” eu acredito que a maioria das pessoas conseguirão compreender. É por isso que eu reforço sobre o trabalho realizado pelo @PPC, possui inclusive comentários quando o ponteiro do mouse pára sobre o texto do menu, no comentário cabem muito mais palavras do que no texto do menu.
Eu não sei se no idioma Alemão e em outros idiomas, se é possível compreender com apenas uma palavra o que o botão faz ou para que serve.
É lamentável que outros usuários do antiX brasileiros não participem do fórum. Eu já descobri alguns dos motivos de não participarem, alguns possuem medo de se expor, outros possuem vergonha. Eu sei muito bem que aqui não é preciso ter medo ou vergonha, pois todos respeitam uns aos outros, independentemente do seu nível de conhecimento.Sr. @Masinick, eu agradeço por me informar que vocês estão conseguindo compreender bem as traduções. Eu me esforço muito para escrever de uma forma que não ocorram mal entendidos ou duplo sentido nas frases. Por isso, eu acredito ser mais seguro continuar enviando em ambos os idiomas.
Quando vocês forem ler o texto traduzido, por favor, comparem com os textos entre aspas escrito em Português do Brasil aos escritos em Inglês. Observem que poderão visualizar que algumas palavras que eu escrevo de forma diferente (escrita diferente) chegam para vocês em Inglês com a mesma forma (mesma escrita).
É algo semelhante ao que acontece com as palavras “update” e “upgrade”, em idioma Português ambas são traduzidas como “atualização”, mas sabemos que possuem significados diferentes. Eu ainda possuo dificuldades para explicar “update” e “upgrade” com poucas palavras nas traduções do site https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/translate/#pt_BR.
marcelocripe
(Texto original em Português do Brasil)Xecure, maybe the Connection button should say “Network Options” since it deals with other possibilities like Ceni and the Switch program?
Personally, I think “Package Installer” should really be called “App Manager” or “Application Manager” in the new terminology, because it is confused too easily with Synaptic Package Manager. The “Package Installer” actually manages Applications or Apps, not just installing them, and most times an Application consists of a group of related packages. But I think if it were to change, it should change everywhere to be consistent, and that is a bunch of effort for little gain. My guess is it started out simple and got better 🙂
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Have not read the whole thread. My bad. It took me years to read the window advice in the installer . Maybe you guys want to read up on that first.
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