'sid' and 'Testing' caveats

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Thank you again.
Is there a way that this traffic jam can be avoided? If renaming your pkg to always supersede the debian one would that work, or is possible?

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Testing-eudev/libeudev
It says that libeudev breaks libeudev of the same edition, so eudev can not be upgraded because of the break.
??

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fungalnet wrote:

Testing-eudev/libeudev
It says that libeudev breaks libeudev of the same edition, so eudev can not be upgraded because of the break.
??

policykit-1 needs to be moved from our sid/nosystemd repo to testing/nosystemd

Please be patient.

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No problem, I thought you would want us to report problems when we encounter them as soon as possible.
So if I have policykit-1 from sid I can just dpkg -i from cache, right?

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fungalnet wrote:

No problem, I thought you would want us to report problems when we encounter them as soon as possible.
So if I have policykit-1 from sid I can just dpkg -i from cache, right?

Yes, I do want reports as soon as you see them. Thanks.

Not really advised to dpkg -i since you also need to make sure the new libs also get installed and ones you don’t want, don’t get installed.

policykit-1

pulseaudio debs also need moving to testing/nosystemd (we ship with a systemd-free libpulse, not the whole of systemd-free pulseaudio)

• This reply was modified 4 years, 3 months ago by anticapitalista. Reason: more info added

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Now in testing repo so it should be o to dist-upgrade.

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Ok, thank you again

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The only metapackage I install from testing after installing 4.19 Antix x64 kernel is firmware-misc-nonfree in nomodeset mode because video card RX480 does not allow X to start with the stable firmware. IMHO the firmware needs to be about the same age as the kernel because some calls do change (are added mostly). So to avoid further possible problems I put testing firmware on the older PC’s and laptops and 32 bit as well after upgrading the kernel. Then I comment out testing repo in apt list and do apt update.

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% sudo apt-get install gparted
Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
libxvmc1
Use ‘sudo apt autoremove’ to remove it.
The following additional packages will be installed:
gparted-common libargon2-1 libcryptsetup12 libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libjson-c4 libpam-systemd
libparted-fs-resize0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 policykit-1 systemd
systemd-sysv
Suggested packages:
dmraid kpartx reiser4progs reiserfsprogs udftools yelp libparted-dev systemd-container
Recommended packages:
libnss-systemd
The following packages will be REMOVED:
eudev prevent-systemd sysvinit-core xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-libinput
xserver-xorg-video-intel
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gparted gparted-common libargon2-1 libcryptsetup12 libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libjson-c4 libpam-systemd
libparted-fs-resize0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 policykit-1 systemd
systemd-sysv
0 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 7,955 kB/8,306 kB of archives.
After this operation, 13.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

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@fungalnet
Are you on testing or sid … because on my sid build mate-de here from core I have gparted without systemd.
Just did apt update and apt upgrade this evening.
p.s. I only update this laptop about once a week though.
@anticapitalista
Earlier you wrote use
apt dist-upgrade
vs
apt upgrade
for sid is that the recommended as I’ve rarely
ever used the “dist-upgrade” option.

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Sid, sid, sid

I have always used dist-upgrade, I also use apt-get install/upgr. because I like to keep the cache while apt removes it after installation. There must be a hook to configure this somewhere.

I have no elogind/libelogind or consolekit installed, or libsystemd0, in my system, but something is acting weird. apt –fix-broken install doesn’t reveal anything broken.
If I run apt-get dist-upgrade it doesn’t show anything to be removed as no longer needed, but trying to install gparted, except for all that havoc it is proposing, it shows pkgs that are no longer needed. I guess if you install systemd somethings will not be needed 🙂

My apt diagnosing skills have gotten real rusty over the years, spoiled by the superfunctionality of pacman, ..

I tried everything I have installed (openbox no dm) to see if I get any warnings/errors, everything works fine, but gparted was dropped.

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As I have mentioned before, you need to install libpam-elogind-compat to avoid all the head aches – Debian is not arch.

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I believe moving from testing to sid and just using upgrade you are retaining the old testing structure of packages and just upgrading the versions of packages that are available to upgrade. I think it is always better to let the distribution (sid) decide what you should have and what you shouldn’t need.

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I like to keep the cache while apt removes it after installation. There must be a hook to configure this somewhere.

somewhere == man apt.conf (see also: man apt-cache)
^—v
APT::Clean-Installed false
(this pref is true, implicitly, by default)

…but to enforce that global declaration, you may need to consider (edit) the following
/etc/apt/conf.d/01autoremove

On a persistent liveboot system, in addition to adding the “Clean-Installed false” declaration, within the various /usr/local/share/excludes/* files you will need to remove//outcomment the line mentioning “/var/cache/apt/archives”.

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fungalnet wrote: I have no elogind/libelogind or consolekit installed, or libsystemd0, in my system

I did install elogind when the installer asked me. Mine is a 19.1-core install changed to sid and
upgraded no testing. But I have alot of other things installed on this rig too. Gparted does
depend on policykit so without elogind or consolekit might be the reason for trying to pull
systemd in on sid.

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