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oops
Maybe 4.4 can be replaced by 4.14 ?
“antiX can only support its own kernels. We have 4 (4.4, 4.9, 4.19 and 5.10)”https://www.kernel.org/releases.html
longterm: 4.4.302 [EOL]Remains:
Version Maintainer Released Projected EOL
5.15 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2021-10-31 Oct, 2023
5.10 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2020-12-13 Dec, 2026
5.4 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2019-11-24 Dec, 2025
4.19 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2018-10-22 Dec, 2024
4.14 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2017-11-12 Jan, 2024
4.9 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2016-12-11 Jan, 2023- This topic was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Brian Masinick.
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oops
4.4 kernel helped me to overcome serious problems that I hadn’t managed to overcome while using 4.9 kernel. Problems such as facing a black screen every time I rebooted while being connected to the net or getting a different hash every time I ran “md5sum” for the same iso. I wrote about them here.
How can I keep a backup copy of 4.4.0-296-antix.1-486-smp?Here for debian buster, to save the related .deb files (for: 468 or 686 or amd64)
486:
http://la.mxrepo.com/antix/buster/pool/main/l/linux-4.4.0-296-antix.1-486-smp/- This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by oops.
mikey777
For those who are affected by the End of Life kernels, make certain that you keep backup copies in multiple places for the kernel or kernels that work for you
This is sound advice Brian.
My Asus laptop (specs in signature below) is a case in point. It runs smoothly with all the antix series 4 kernels, but refuses to even boot with antix 5.10, i.e. just a black screen with nothing on it, except a flashing cursor. Curiously though, and this I fail to understand, mainline kernel 5.10 appears compatible with the laptop, booting up properly & appearing to function without any issues. How come?▪ 32-bit antix19.4-core+LXDE installed on :
- (2011) Samsung NP-N145 Plus (JP04UK) – single-core CPU Intel Atom N455@1.66GHz, 2GB RAM, integrated graphics.
▪ 64-bit antix21-base+LXDE installed on:
- (2008) Asus X71Q (7SC002) – dual CPU Intel T3200@2.0GHz, 4GB RAM. Graphics: Intel Mobile 4 Series, integrated graphics
- (2007) Packard Bell Easynote MX37 (ALP-Ajax C3) – dual CPU Intel T2310@1.46GHz, 2GB RAM. Graphics: Silicon Integrated Systems.
Brian Masinick
Even though kernel version 4.4 is still available at the present time in our repo, I took a look yesterday and 4.4 is the OLDEST kernel I see there. Though anticapitalista is keeping it in our repository at the present time, the reason I suggested that people with really old systems GRAB one or more copies of this kernel and store it away in a safe place, noting WHERE to put the kernel, if it needs to be PUT back in place, including the file and directory locations, directory and file permissions, and any other relevant details that will ensure that you’ll be able to keep the kernel and your old systems working even after support for the software is gone.
Do understand that when things are out of date, the security and support for them is gone. On the other hand, those with 20-25 year old systems MAY be able to get things to work and keep them working IF they take precautions NOW and save things that MAY NOT always be available elsewhere, and that is the reason I have been making these suggestions NOW while we can at least obtain and save the software – perhaps in an OFFLINE copy on removable media!
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Brian Masinickoops
4.4 kernel helped me to overcome serious problems that I hadn’t managed to overcome while using 4.9 kernel. Problems such as facing a black screen every time I rebooted while being connected to the net or getting a different hash every time I ran “md5sum” for the same iso. I wrote about them here.
How can I keep a backup copy of 4.4.0-296-antix.1-486-smp?FI: I had the same issue with a old PC (PACKARD BELL BV) … and only kernels 4.4 and 4.14 worked correctly.
inxi:
System: Host: mx19 Kernel: 4.14.14-antix.1-486-smp i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 7.2.0
Machine: Type: Desktop System: PACKARD BELL BV product: ### v: N/A serial: ### Chassis: type: 3 serial: 50424Eandfree
“antiX can only support its own kernels. We have 4 (4.4, 4.9, 4.19 and 5.10)”
Doesn’t antiX support 4.14?
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Brian Masinick
No antiX repo includes the 4.14 kernel series. The 4.14.266 kernel is a longterm support kernel available at https://kernel.org/
The Debian Version 4 kernel series can be found at https://ftp.be.debian.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/
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tjhSM
I would like to point out that kernel 4.4 is an SLTS kernel, so mainline support will be provided by the “Civil Infrastrucure Platform” (CIP)team through “at least 2026” according to Wikipedia. That means that if your rig can handle a mainline kernel then there might be a reputable group out there who will set up a debian-compatible repo with security updates for 4.4 for a few years. It’s worth searching for this before upgrading or throwing in the towel. Maybe Freexian will do this?
I would like to point out that kernel 4.4 is an SLTS kernel, so mainline support will be provided by the “Civil Infrastrucure Platform” (CIP)team through “at least 2026” according to Wikipedia. That means that if your rig can handle a mainline kernel then there might be a reputable group out there who will set up a debian-compatible repo with security updates for 4.4 for a few years. It’s worth searching for this before upgrading or throwing in the towel. Maybe Freexian will do this?
Thank you, but it’s not very clear to me. Is it free or commercial?
Maybe 4.4 can be replaced by 4.14 ?
“antiX can only support its own kernels. We have 4 (4.4, 4.9, 4.19 and 5.10)”It sounds very good to me. I consider antiX as the best distro for old hardware (I’m only talking about old hardware, because that is what I use). If there is only one kernel that can keep a large number of old machines functional, I think there is a good reason for this kernel to be supported. If possible, off course.
In any case, I would like to try 4.14. Is it safe enough to do so? If it is, is there any way to install it via synaptic (by activating the appropriate repos) or I have to use a terminal for this? Thanks.
Brian Masinick
The Civil Infrastructure Platform is provided through the Linux Foundation. If you look at the members who are helping out to ensure that these kernels are maintained, there is no question that the people involved are “sponsored” and employed by commercial companies. That does NOT mean that the software is commercial; it’s available through the Linux foundation, and it’s still a Linux kernel, and therefore it’s bound by the GPL license from which the original kernels were written.
Can someone include these kernels in projects they charge money for? Sure, that’s within the rules. But they also have to make the source code freely available and that means if you want to be able to build, rebuild, alter, or maintain your own source code copy for any reason, you are able to do so, under the very same rules.
Namely: if you use it for your own personal, private use only, you can do whatever you want with it. If you share it with someone else, you MUST share the license from which it was derived and give credit to whomever provided and maintained the work. That’s a abbreviated (simplistic) explanation of the license; if you want the 100% accurate description, read whatever licenses are including with these kernels.
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Brian Masinick(…) That’s a abbreviated (simplistic) explanation of the license; if you want the 100% accurate description, read whatever licenses are including with these kernels.
No, I think it’s enough, thanks a lot. I suppose that what I need now is to read more carefully the practical issues, so as to understand what I have to do with all this thing.
In any case, I would like to try 4.14. Is it safe enough to do so? If it is, is there any way to install it via synaptic (by activating the appropriate repos) or I have to use a terminal for this? Thanks.
Should I try to add https://ftp.be.debian.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/ to the repos? If this is the case, what should I write in the fields “Distribution” & “Section(s)”?
Is there somewhere any package of 4.14.266 kernel in a form I could install by using a command, such as “apt install” or “dpkg” or something, please?
Brian Masinick
All latest antiX 4.4 kernels will still be in our repos.
They just won’t get upgraded to a newer version since kernel.org isn’t supplying any new versions.The antiX repo still has the kernel and you can install it as you would any other package using whatever installation tools you commonly use.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
As far as the 4.14 kernel, that’s NOT included in the antiX repo, we have 4.4, 4.9, 4.19 in the 4.* series, and a few 5.* kernels.
The discussion about 4.14 is for those who are able to navigate and manage it.--
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