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Anonymous
merger [..] problems would be easier to find and fix
That has aready proven true, but only for components shared by userbaseA and userbaseB.
Where different alternative components are involved (and permutations of those interconnected components), the members of userbaseA (and devs) are often blind to, unaffected by, many of the “edge cases” encountered by members of userbaseB.
christophe
marcelocripe wrote:
There is some possibility that you can make antiX 19.2 available in a single ISO image containing antiX-19.2_x64-full and antiX-19.2_x32-full, where in the boot menu of this ISO image it was possible to select which version the user wants to start, the 32-bit version or 64-bit version.
Both images together have about 2.32 GB, thus allowing, in a single DVD or pendrive media to be able to transport and still install antiX 19.2 32 or 64 bits, it would be the ISO image of antiX “all in one”.
This makes it easier for those who need to install multiple times and on different versions of antiX.
Seaken64 asked about this on the MX forum. Fehlix & BitJam outlined how to adapt the live-usb yourself. I have made this myself, more than once — a full-featured antiX live-usb with more than one “iso” on it. (I have only experience with the syslinux/legacy bootloader in this.) Check it out:
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=49318&start=10
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
marcelocripe
It has been a while since I have tried… But I think you can mount the 2 iso files. Copy the first to a working directory, then change the initrd.gz, linuxfs, and vmlinuz files to reflect the version. (Example: initrd-19-amd64.gz) Then modify the various .cfg files in /boot/ (grub/grub.cfg, isolinux/isolinux.cfg, syslinux/syslinux.cfg) to reflect these changes. After doing so you can copy the antiX directory for the next version into the working directory followed by editing the config files and basically duplicate the contents and modify the duplicated lines to point to that version. Then generate your own iso image using that working directory as the source for the iso contents. There are a number of tools make / pack the contents back into an iso (mkisofs, genisoimage, dd, etc). For example: https://linuxpitstop.com/edit-iso-files-using-mkisofs-in-linux/
Hi Dave and Christophe,
I appreciate the suggestions.
Making all these changes and still in command line, for me, for now, this is very difficult. I don’t want to ruin the ISOs, or create something that won’t work on BIOS or UEFI systems.
Newbies, like me, need a solution and not to create more and more problems, please don’t get me wrong, it’s that I still have a lot to learn and still in basic questions of antiX and this “world of Linux distributions “which is giant and somewhat confusing. I can still edit the antiX configuration files with Geany or Leafpad, I need to “see” what I’m doing, in text mode with several commands that I don’t understand, I don’t “see” anything.
The goal would be to have something similar to the Windows 7 installation DVD that contains multiple versions (Starter Edition, Home Edition, Professional and Ultimate) in 32 bits and 64 bits, “all in one” in the same ISO or DVD image. But it would be for antiX, so I brought this suggestion more to Anticapitalista, the idea would be to have ISOs available with both architectures (32 bits and 64 bits) and working. I know that this generates more rework for the Anticapitalist or for the team, we have few tutorials written, except for some exceptions from PPC, Xecure and
I was calculating, if we add the versions of anitX (antiX-19.2_386-full.iso, antiX-19.2_x64-full.iso, antiX-19.2.1_386-base.iso and antiX-19.2.1_x64-base.iso) occupy about 3.77 GB or 3762290688 bytes. And according to my accounts, the versions (antiX-19.2_386-core.iso and antiX-19.2_x64-core.iso) would total about 4.42 GB or 4416602112 bytes, it would not fit on the same DVD media. Okay, if you stick with the 3.77 GB, it would be an “all in one” for antiX.
Christophe’s suggestion, contained in the link https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=49318&start=10, seems to be a little more “humanly” possible to do (laughs …), you that dominate the terminal or console are from another “planet” (laughs …), do things imaginable with the black screen, we “mere” humans need windows with buttons or on the terminal with instructional text with options to select with the keyboard arrows and press Enter to confirm and ESC to return or exit.
My pendrive will not be able to handle so many formats to prepare each ISO of antiX, now to use 32 bits, now to use 64 bits, I really need to have “all in one” and a working DVD media and then make several copies of these DVDs.
I’m just a multiplier of basic users for antiX. I am able to collaborate with what I can do correctly, or the best I can do, which are:
– Corrections to antiX and MX Linux translations, see links: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/transifex-translations/ and https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/ translate / # pt_BR /;
-Take as many tests as possible for the fantastic program that Xecure is developing, link https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/apt-based-offline-repo-small-yad-bash-project/;
-Learn as much as possible about antiX and be able to solve the small problems that arise and collaborate with what I can in this forum;
There is no time to be able to study as much as I would like, life’s responsibilities are taking people’s time.
Thank you
marcelocripe
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Olá Dave e Christophe,
Eu agradeço pelas sugestões.
Fazer todas estas alterações e ainda em linha de comando, para mim, por enquanto, isso é muito difícil. Eu não quero estragar as ISOs, ou criar algo que não vai funcionar em sistemas BIOS ou UEFI.
Os novatos, assim como eu, precisam de solução e não de criarem mais e mais problemas, por favor, não me entendam mal, é que eu ainda tenho muito o que aprender e ainda em questões básicas do antiX e deste “mundo das distribuições Linux” que é gigante e um tanto quanto confuso. Eu ainda consigo editar os arquivos de configurações do antiX com o Geany ou com Leafpad, eu preciso “ver” o que estou fazendo, no modo texto com vários comandos que não compreendo eu não “enxergo” nada.
O objetivo seria ter algo semelhante ao DVD de instalação do Windows 7 que contém várias versões (Starter Edition, Home Edition, Professional e Ultimate) em 32 bits e em 64 bits, “tudo em um” na mesma imagem ISO ou DVD. Mas seria para o antiX, por isso eu trouxe mais esta sugestão para o Anticapitalista, a ideia seria ter ISOs disponíveis com ambas arquiteturas (32 bits e 64 bits) e funcionando. Eu sei que isso gera mais retrabalho para o Anticapitalista ou para a equipe, temos poucos tutoriais escrito, salvo algumas exceções do PPC, do Xecure e do
Eu estava calculando, se somarmos as versões do anitX (antiX-19.2_386-full.iso, antiX-19.2_x64-full.iso, antiX-19.2.1_386-base.iso e antiX-19.2.1_x64-base.iso) ocupam cerca de 3,77 GB ou 3762290688 bytes. E pela minhas contas, as versões (antiX-19.2_386-core.iso e antiX-19.2_x64-core.iso) totalizaria cerca de 4,42 GB ou 4416602112 bytes, não caberia na mesma mídia de DVD. Tudo bem, se ficar com a de 3,77 GB, já seria um “tudo em um” para o antiX.
A sugestão do Christophe, contida no link https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=49318&start=10, parece ser um pouco mais “humanamente” possível de se fazer (risos …), vocês que dominam o terminal ou console são de outro “planeta” (risos …), fazem coisas imagináveis com a tela preta, nós “meros” humanos precisamos de janelas com botões ou no terminal com textos de instruções com opções para selecionar com as setas do teclado e pressionar o Enter para confirmar e o ESC para voltar ou sair.
O meu pendrive não vai aguentar tantas formatações para preparar cada ISO do antiX, ora para usar de 32 bits, ora para usar de 64 bits, eu preciso mesmo ter “tudo em um” e em uma mídia de DVD funcionando e depois fazer várias cópias destes DVD.
Eu sou apenas um multiplicador de usuários básicos para o antiX. Eu estou podendo colaborar com o que eu consigo fazer corretamente, ou o melhor que eu consigo fazer, que são:
-As correções das traduções do antiX e do MX Linux, ver links: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/transifex-translations/ e https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/translate/#pt_BR/;
-Fazer o maior número possível de testes para o programa fantástico que o Xecure está desenvolvendo, link https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/apt-based-offline-repo-small-yad-bash-project/;
-Aprender o máximo possível sobre o antiX e conseguir resolver os pequenos problemas que vão surgindo e colaborar com o que eu posso neste fórum;
Falta tempo para poder estudar o quanto eu gostaria, as responsabilidades da vida vão tirando o tempo da gente.
Obrigado
marcelocripe
Brian Masinick
One thing that I LOVE about your work and your efforts, Marcelocripe, is that even though you consider yourself a novice or a beginner when it comes to antiX Linux, you have an excellent work ethic, a desire to learn, and an appreciative attitude. These attributes are not only helpful, they are a great example for others, and it is my great pleasure to assist in this work in any way possible. Though I don’t have all the answers (not even close since I’m retired and not deeply involved in the development or testing), my heart is grateful to see people like you contributing to our efforts. I am quite certain that the Portuguese and Brazilian aspects of antiX will improve 100% or more with the help of people like you. Thank you for your questions and your contributions once again!
Uma coisa que AMO sobre seu trabalho e seus esforços, Marcelocripe, é que mesmo que você se considere um novato ou um novato quando se trata do antiX Linux, você tem uma excelente ética de trabalho, desejo de aprender e uma atitude apreciativa. Esses atributos não são apenas úteis, eles são um grande exemplo para os outros, e é um grande prazer ajudar neste trabalho de todas as maneiras possíveis. Embora eu não tenha todas as respostas (nem perto, já que estou aposentado e não estou profundamente envolvido no desenvolvimento ou nos testes), meu coração está grato por ver pessoas como você contribuindo para nossos esforços. Tenho certeza de que os aspectos português e brasileiro do antiX irão melhorar 100% ou mais com a ajuda de pessoas como você. Obrigado por suas perguntas e suas contribuições mais uma vez!
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Brian Masinickchristophe
@marcelocripe,
I have an idea: If you are making DVDs for people, just make antiX full 32-bit. Test that. I someone likes it, a re-install with 64-bit, if they need it, could be done on an individual basis. And a beginner would only request 64-bit if the software they “needed” were only available in 64-bit. But 32-bit works wonderfully on most 64-bit legacy-bios computers. The 32-bit pae (i686) kernel will use more than the 3 GB ram “limit”, just not for any one process. For new users, it would be at least a “proof of concept.”
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
Dzhigit
@Dzhigit:
Actually there is quite a bit of work that is regularly shared.1. The distribution leaders package both distributions and their variations.
2. Many components, tools and applications are shared.
3. Many people do things with both distributions, including me. There is nothing to save, things are frequently shared.
Well does this not prove my point? Why maintain two separate distributions? Not all packages in one repository are available in the other one. If someone added a package, it would automatically become available in both. Sorry, I am not a developer, so I do not really understand.
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Regarding things that you are not sure about, have you watched any of the videos made by Dolphin Oracle? They may answer many questions. We have recently had in depth articles and discussions in this forum about how to install and configure the system “just right”.I am already subscribed to Dolphin Oracle and I have seen his videos. The only thing I am unsure about is, why is antiX still separate from MX?
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caprea
The only thing I am unsure about is, why is antiX still separate from MX
Both distributions benefit in a advantageous way from the work of the other
but both are clearly going their own way.
It’s absolutely marvelous that this works and it’s definitely the best for both of them. that’s my thinking about it.
anticapitalista
Just to add to the excellent reply by caprea.
You may not know, but antiX pre-dates MX by approximately 7 years.
The first official release of antiX was in July 2007.
The first official MX release (I was the head dev of the project back then) was in March 2014.
One could argue that MX could not exist in its present form without antiX (I’m referring to the live system in particular).Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
Brian Masinick
Just to add to the excellent reply by caprea.
You may not know, but antiX pre-dates MX by approximately 7 years.
The first official release of antiX was in July 2007.
The first official MX release (I was the head dev of the project back then) was in March 2014.
One could argue that MX could not exist in its present form without antiX (I’m referring to the live system in particular).I completely agree. While MEPIS existed prior to antiX and many of the MX Linux community were a part of that effort, it’s been close to a decade (last release of MEPIS was in 2011) so antiX has now been around much longer and practically all of the old MEPIS infrastructure has been replaced.
Regarding antiX, don’t the earliest builds date back to 2005 (maybe I am remembering incorrectly, I thought that there was a build in May 2005, is that right)?
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Brian Masinickanticapitalista
Not quite, they date back to 2006 just after the release of MEPS 3.4.3, but they were only made available to the MEPIS community.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
seaken64
Making all these changes and still in command line, for me, for now, this is very difficult. I don’t want to ruin the ISOs, or create something that won’t work on BIOS or UEFI systems.
Newbies, like me, need a solution and not to create more and more problems, please don’t get me wrong, it’s that I still have a lot to learn and still in basic questions of antiX and this “world of Linux distributions “which is giant and somewhat confusing. I can still edit the antiX configuration files with Geany or Leafpad, I need to “see” what I’m doing, in text mode with several commands that I don’t understand, I don’t “see” anything.
marcelocripe
I have found that even if things are written step-by-step I sometimes don’t grasp the concept until I try it. Eventually you will get comfortable with commands when they are needed. Once you have done a few sessions and see the results you will no longer fear the command line.
Newbies eventually become intermediate users. You can do this. If you read that thread about creating a multiboot antiX or MX usb drive and then read the last message in that thread as a review of what steps to take, you will soon have your first multiboot antiX usb. Then it’s a short trip to a DVD and more usb’s that can be copied and shared. There is no command line magic that needs to be done. It can all be done with the gui file manager and editor. You just need to do it a couple of times. Before you know it you’ll no longer be a newbie and can help someone else create their own multiboot usb/DVD.
I also agree with christophe and suggest that you start with a 32-bit version of antiX on DVD. While you learn how to make multiboot 32 & 64 bit you can share the 32 bit DVD. It will run on most computers.
Seaken64
Brian Masinick
The only thing I am unsure about is, why is antiX still separate from MX
Both distributions benefit in a advantageous way from the work of the other
but both are clearly going their own way.
It’s absolutely marvelous that this works and it’s definitely the best for both of them. that’s my thinking about it.I prefer to keep them distinct too.
Though there is sharing, which is good, most of the things shared are tools. The application group is quite different, as is the environment. What’s common is quality!
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Brian MasinickThe only thing I am unsure about is, why is antiX still separate from MX
Both distributions benefit in a advantageous way from the work of the other
but both are clearly going their own way.
It’s absolutely marvelous that this works and it’s definitely the best for both of them. that’s my thinking about it.I prefer to keep them distinct too.
Though there is sharing, which is good, most of the things shared are tools. The application group is quite different, as is the environment. What’s common is quality!
Yes, @caprea and @masinick, I agree with you both. There is something unique about antiX. Maybe it’s the idea of Mean and Lean and the support for older computers. As much as I like MX I like antiX for what it provides that MX doesn’t. I want antiX to stay as it is.
Seaken64
ex_Koo
@masinick
AgreedI prefer to keep them distinct too. Though there is sharing, which is good, most of the things shared are tools. The application group is quite different, as is the environment. What’s common is quality!MX is a great system but I feel it suits ex windows users, or someone that want every thing done for them.
The best thing about antiX you have lots of install options, way more hands on and it is not just tired to one Desktop. And is so stable plus you can experiment,I find that I can make it more my own system.
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Brian Masinick
I love both MX Linux and antiX.
If I’m only browsing and reading Email I often use MX Linux. However in the very same scenario I can use either of them with equally good results.
If that’s ALL I am doing I can, quite frankly use almost anything, so on those days I go through my distribution list, updating each of them in between reading mail and articles and forums.
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