sysv vs systemd

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Is sysv faster then systemd?

[Forum Admin dolphin_oracle]

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that depends.

booting..maybe, depends on system. any other time…nope, about the same.

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In my experience it is day and night difference, but it all depends.
When the same desktop configuration is based on about the same system with and without systemd the initial ram use is 1/2 to a 1/3 less than systemd. On a system with low RAM that makes a big difference in the amount of available ram. How many services and daemons are running and how are processes supervised is also CPU capacity related.
I have sysv, openrc, runit, and s6 systems with about the same rest of configuration (openbox, some conkies running, and the least I instantly and usually need running. I don’t even have cups running all the time, I start and stop the service when I need to print.). When I boot a similar system based on Debian, or Arch usually, with systemd it feels like a slug compared to all others. S6 and Runit in my experience beat them all.

Remember, systemd is not just an init system, it takes major substitutions to get rid of it all. So to be fair it is hard to really make a true comparison, but that is systemd’s fault, and eventually some things used by other systems are pieces chopped off of systemd that many other pieces of software depend on.

I’d rather use MSwindows7 or something than use systemd 😉

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[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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fungalnet wrote:

In my experience it is day and night difference, but it all depends.
When the same desktop configuration is based on about the same system with and without systemd the initial ram use is 1/2 to a 1/3 less than systemd. On a system with low RAM that makes a big difference in the amount of available ram. How many services and daemons are running and how are processes supervised is also CPU capacity related.
I have sysv, openrc, runit, and s6 systems with about the same rest of configuration (openbox, some conkies running, and the least I instantly and usually need running. I don’t even have cups running all the time, I start and stop the service when I need to print.). When I boot a similar system based on Debian, or Arch usually, with systemd it feels like a slug compared to all others. S6 and Runit in my experience beat them all.

Remember, systemd is not just an init system, it takes major substitutions to get rid of it all. So to be fair it is hard to really make a true comparison, but that is systemd’s fault, and eventually some things used by other systems are pieces chopped off of systemd that many other pieces of software depend on.

I’d rather use MSwindows7 or something than use systemd

I do not personally agree with the final statement; that is, I prefer to use any freely available software, including Debian with systemd, than I do to use proprietary, commercially priced software on my own personal equipment.

I love antiX and MX, and it’s GREAT that we have software that ensures our freedoms in many ways, including not being forced into using the systemd infrastructure hoisted into the free software community by Red Hat software engineers and then further backed and extended in more free software when it came into the Debian space. Devuan and antiX both worked together early and often to provide an alternative, an arguably more flexible, superior alternative, especially for those concerned with conserving resources. I just don’t go quite as far as you do in my disdain for systemd; I use it on my Debian systems and other distributions that work on my hardware, and I also use nosystemd – sysv software in antiX and MX; I prefer it too, but I’ll still take other FREELY available software before PAYING for my own copy of commercial proprietary software. I’ll use that, too, but only when an employer provides it to me. On my own systems, I prefer BOTH sysv (nosystemd) and systemd services to the commercial alternatives.

• This reply was modified 4 years, 8 months ago by Brian Masinick. Reason: got rid of the smily for my reply
• This reply was modified 4 years, 8 months ago by Brian Masinick.

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My own experiences were that I wasn’t able to tune memory usage and performance very much under systemd and I was basically powerless to do anything about it, so avoid it. I suppose on newer, super fast machines you might not notice if you don’t look, but on older machines it is noticeable, and sluglike, imo.

I voted with my feet.

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Systemd may have issues with some older systems and I wished Debian proper had made it a choice for the user to choose rather than being strong-armed into forcing users to install it (particularly as GNOME and KDE now have a hard dependency on systemd).

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