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Brian Masinick
Yes, if you are not positive what an update does, just accept the default. Sometimes the default is N or No, and unless you are certain otherwise, just accept it and you are less likely to have an issue.
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Brian Masinick
marcelocripe
What I don’t understand is how you came to get your default menus in your username directory changed from pt_BR to English.
Nobody else has reported that the latest updates of desktop-defaults-icewm etc has changed their non-English menus.
My Greek menus remained in Greek after the upgrade.But that’s exactly what I’m talking about in this thread.
On 01/10/2023 in antiX 21 full 64 bits I applied the commands in the Terminal sudo apt update, sudo apt upgrade, answered “i” or “y” to all the questions and then all the first level menus and All texts on toolbars in all work areas lost their translation from the Portuguese language in Brazil and started to be in English.
I’m reporting an important problem that happened to me and still touching on a relevant subject which is whether or not to install the updated version of the package from when the questions are asked.Nobody else has reported that the latest updates of desktop-defaults-icewm etc has changed their non-English menus.
I communicated in the Telegram and WhatsApp groups for other Brazilians (and for Italians) not to update antiX until this topic was resolved. If the problem happened to me, then I don’t want it to happen to other people. I would be irresponsible if I didn’t inform them of the problem that happened to me when updating antiX. Therefore, people in these groups are waiting for me to update antiX and answer “i” or “y” to install the latest settings file or answer “n” or “o” to not install the settings file most recent and keep the current one.
As I have already written in this forum several times, I am a multiplier of antiX in Brazil and of everything I learn with you and with other GNU/Linux professors and masters.
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What I don’t understand is how you came to get your default menus in your username directory changed from pt_BR to English.
Nobody else has reported that the latest updates of desktop-defaults-icewm etc has changed their non-English menus.
My Greek menus remained in Greek after the upgrade.Mas é exatamente isso que eu estou tratando neste tópico.
No dia 10/01/2023 no antiX 21 full de 64 bits eu apliquei os comandos no Terminal sudo apt update, sudo apt upgrade, respondi “i” ou “y” para todas as perguntas e em seguida todos os menus do primeiro nível e todos os textos das barras de ferramentas de todas as áreas de trabalho perderam a tradução do idioma Português do Brasil e passaram a ficar em idioma Inglês.
Eu estou reportando um problema importante que aconteceu comigo e ainda tocando em um assunto relevante que é instalar ou não a versão atualizada do pacote de quandoé feita as perguntas.Nobody else has reported that the latest updates of desktop-defaults-icewm etc has changed their non-English menus.
Eu comuniquei nos grupos de Telegram e WhatsApp para os outros Brasileiros (e para os Italianos) não atualizarem o antiX até que este tópico fosse resolvido. Se o problema aconteceu comigo, então eu não quero que aconteça com as outras pessoas. Eu seria um irresponsável se não os comunicasse do problema aconteceu comigo na atualização do antiX. Por tanto, as pessoas que estão nestes grupos aguardam um comunicado meu para atualizarem o antiX e responder “i” ou “y” para instalar o arquivo de configurações mais recente ou responder “n” ou “o” para não instalar o arquivo de configurações mais recente e manter o atual.
Como eu já escrevei neste fórum várias vezes, eu sou um multiplicador do antiX no Brasil e de tudo que eu aprendo com você e com os outros professores e mestres do GNU/Linux.
caprea
Coincidentally I had a clean install of antiX22 on which I full-upgraded today.
Out of curiosity answered with Y to all the questions and the menu is still in german.In /etc/skel the menus from icwm fluxbox jwm turned as was to be expected to english.
But…, on a box with testing repos running for years, I remember I’ve seen this appearing english menu maybe two times.
anticapitalista
@marcelocripe I understand your concern which is why I installed antiX-22-full 64bit to a disk to see if I can reproduce this but I can’t.
I booted live iso set to pt_BR via F2.
Live session shows pt_BR menus
Installed to hard drive
Rebooted to installed desktop
All menus in pt_BR
sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
Answered Yes to all prompts
All menus in pt_BRHave you made any changes to default menu set up?
I know you were testing the various menu formats that Robin (I think) designed to show Generic rather than Name in the menus.
Perhaps that is the cause of this issue, though I would be very surprised if it is.Can you check that your menu files in for example ~/.icewm are not symlinked to /etc/skel/.icewm/menu
(outage posting this)
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
PPC
@marcelocripe – from what I read in this thread, it seems that you suffered from a very rare bug that (probably when you accept the changes to the menu files) causes the menu config file to be overwriten by the default template that is in English (and that only happens if you accept the changes). Caprea reports that bug happening in the past, and now you. I currently have 3 computers (two with antiX 21/22 -one 32bits and the other 64bits and one with antiX 19, 64bits), I never accepted any option other than the default one, when updating my systems and I don’t recall that anything similar ever happening to me, that have everything set to pt-pt.
anticapitalista took the trouble to try to reproduce your problem and it did not affect his system. Considering that probably some thousands of computers have antiX installed and only you and caprea report this ever happening, it’s safe to say:
– if it’s a bug, it’s a very rare one, and not easily reproduced
– if it’s safe to update pt-pt systems, greek systems and german systems, it’s equally safe to update pt-br and italian systems (it’s rare but it happens I get that all the time, some script works great on one computer and errors out in another)
– if the update/upgrade process asks you any question, go with the default answer (in this case, pressing the Enter key will answer “no”, and keep your default templates- I’m assuming that what went wrong with your system probably would not happen if you went with the default answer. Even if you get that bug, when keeping the original files, restoring the first layer of the menu to the default (localized) setting can be done running this command (Please note, this is to be used ONLY if the files in the skel folder are localized), and command should be run as a normal (i.e non root) user and will restore the default (icewm) window manager menu configuration:cp /etc/skel/.icewm/menu ~/.icewm/This should work instantly, without any need to restart icewm (or, I think jwm and fluxbox, if the command is adapted to run in this two Floating Window Managers)
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marcelocripe
Have you made any changes to default menu set up?
Anticapitalist, I am sure that the installation of antiX 21 full 64-bit which I updated on 01/10/2023 has not been changed manually or with any other type of test program.
I know you were testing the various menu formats that Robin (I think) designed to show Generic rather than Name in the menus.
All the tests we’ve done on this program or any other have always been done with antiX on a USB stick with no persistence.
This installation of antiX 21, I keep it without any kind of changes or customizations. It only has the HexChat translation package created by Robin installed, the Chromium internet browser and the translations that were installed by the program from the “User Language” menu. I use this installation of antiX to teach other Brazilians to update antiX, to translate antiX application programs with the “User Language” menu program (it is only possible to teach once with this program), to translate forum pages with Chromium or Firefox, LibreOffice Writer, LibreOffice Calc and other application programs that are antiX full standards. As this installation is for teaching, the closer it is to the original ISO, the better it will be for me to teach these people.
Can you check that your menu files in for example ~/.icewm are not symlinked to /etc/skel/.icewm/menu
If you want, I can upload all the files from the /etc/skel/.icewm, /etc/skel/.jwm and /etc/skel/.flubox folders.
Or, I might update another install of antiX 21 or 22 (full) tonight and answer “i” or “y” to every question just to run another test.
Thank you very much for trying to reproduce the problem that occurred to me precisely on the day that I was teaching how to update antiX and to answer the questions that arise in antiX updates in Telegram and WhatsApp groups.
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Have you made any changes to default menu set up?
Anticapitalista, eu tenho certeza de que a instalação do antiX 21 full de 64 bits na qual eu atualizei no dia 10/01/2023 não sofreu alterações manuais ou com qualquer outro tipo de programa de teste.
I know you were testing the various menu formats that Robin (I think) designed to show Generic rather than Name in the menus.
Todos os testes que fizemos neste programa ou em qualquer outro, sempre foram feitos com o antiX em um dispositivo USB sem persistência.
Esta instalação do antiX 21, eu a mantenho sem qualquer tipo de alterações ou personalizações. Possui instalado apenas o pacote de tradução do HexChat criado pelo Robin, o navegador de internet Chromium e as traduções que foram instaladas pelo programa do menu “Idioma do Usuário”. Eu utilizo esta instalação do antiX para ensinar os outros Brasileiros a atualizar o antiX, a traduzir os programas aplicativos do antiX com programa do menu “Idioma do Usuário” (só é possível ensinar uma vez com este programa), traduzir as páginas do fórum com o Chromium ou o Firefox, LibreOffice Writer, LibreOffice Calc e outros programas aplicativos que são padrões do antiX full. Como esta instalação serve para ensinar, quanto mais estiver próxima da ISO original, melhor será para eu ensinar estas pessoas.
Can you check that your menu files in for example ~/.icewm are not symlinked to /etc/skel/.icewm/menu
Se você quiser, eu posso enviar todos os arquivos das pastas /etc/skel/.icewm, /etc/skel/.jwm e /etc/skel/.flubox.
Ou ainda, eu posso atualizar outra instalação do antiX 21 ou 22 (full) hoje à noite e responder “i” ou “y” para todas as perguntas só para realizar um outro teste.
Muito obrigado por você tentar reproduzir o problema que ocorreu comigo justamente no dia que eu estava ensinando a atualizar o antiX e a responder as perguntas que surgem nas atualizações do antiX nos grupos de Telegram e WhatsApp.
vania
Hello anticapitalista.
The marcelocripe is here at my house and he is the one who will write the text from now on, because I don’t understand why the menus are in English instead of my language.
Anticapitalist, the update on today’s (01/12/2023) antiX-21 full 64-bit from mrs. Vania also lost the translations when I answered “i” or “y”.
I am uploading the menu files from the “skel”, “home”, “term.log”, “history.log”, “inxi -Fxz” folder and 3 screenshots that demonstrate that the translation was lost.
If Caprea didn’t have this problem with your two-letter language, it may be that the problem only occurs in languages that have more than two letters.
I hope this information is useful for the detection of the problem, now there are two antiX 21 with the same problem in the first level menu and in the toolbar texts.
I thank Mrs. Vania for trusting me and allowing me to perform this test on her computer.
I will not manually fix the menu files, because if they were changed in the update for the English language they should be fixed in the next antiX update to be fixed again for the Brazilian Portuguese language.
Let’s go to the next test…
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Olá anticapitalista.
O marcelocripe está aqui na minha casa e é ele que irá escrever o texto daqui em diante, pois eu não compreendo porque os menus estão em Inglês ao invês do meu idioma.
Anticapitalista, a atualização no antiX-21 full de 64 bits de hoje (12/01/2023) da sra. Vania também perdeu as traduções quando eu respondi “i” ou “y”.
Eu estou enviando os arquivos dos menus da pasta “skel”, “home”, “term.log”, “history.log”, “inxi -Fxz” e 3 capturas de tela que demonstram que a tradução foi perdida.
Se o Caprea não teve este problema com o seu idioma de duas letras, pode ser que o problema ocorra apenas nos idiomas que possuem mais de duas letras.
Eu espero que estas informações sejam úteis para a detecção do problema, agora são dois antiX 21 com o mesmo problema no menu do primeiro nível e nos textos da barra de ferramentas.
Eu agradeço a sra. Vania por confiar em mim e me permitir realizar este teste no computador dela.
Eu não irei corrigir manualmente os arquivos dos menus, porque se eles foram alterados na atualização para o idioma Inglês devem ser corrigidos na próxima na atualização do antiX para serem corrigidos novamente para o idioma Português do Brasil.
Vamos para próximo teste…
marcelocripe
I’m back with the result of another test.
The computer in question has antiX 22 full 64-bit and belongs to a user who does not know how to use the forum, and therefore does not have a registration in the antiX forum.
I am sending the menu files from the “skel”, “home”, “term.log”, “history.log”, “inxi -Fxz” folder and it is not necessary to take screenshots, because the Portuguese translation of the Brasil was not lost in the texts of the first level menus and in the texts of the toolbars with the answers “i” or “y”. An unsuccessful update attempt occurred because the computer owner was confused by so many questions and closed the window before completing the update. I needed to apply the command sudo dpkg –configure -a to continue the antiX update.
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Eu estou de volta com o resultado de um outro teste.
O computador em questão possui o antiX 22 full de 64 bits e é de um usuário que não sabe utilizar o fórum, por isso não possui um cadastro no fórum do antiX.
Eu estou enviando os arquivos dos menus da pasta “skel”, “home”, “term.log”, “history.log”, “inxi -Fxz” e não é necessário as capturas de tela, porque a tradução em idioma Português do Brasil não foi perdida nos textos dos menus do primeiro nível e nos textos das barras de ferramentas com as respostas “i” ou “y”. Ocorreu uma tentativa mal sucedida na atualização, porque o dono do computador ficou confuso com tantas peguntas e fechou a janela antes de concluir a atualização. Eu precisei aplicar o comando sudo dpkg –configure -a para continuar a atualização do antiX.
boy
Hello anticapitalista.
I tried to follow marcelocripe’s explanations to answer the questions that were asked in the update and I ended up getting lost and closed the window.
The marcelocripe is here at my house and he corrected my error in the update process, he explained to me about the questions that are asked in antiX updates and that it is still not clear for us if we should answer ‘y’ or ‘n’. If it’s the ‘n’ then what is the antiX update for? It doesn’t make any sense that I don’t want the upgrades the anti-capitalist provided us with. If he works a long time on updates, it makes no sense for me not to accept these updates.
The marcelocripe writes the following text in my forum user.
Anticapitalist, the update on today’s 32-bit antiX-21 full (01/12/2023) from mr. Boy also lost translations when I answered “i” or “y”.
I am uploading the menu files from the “skel”, “home”, “term.log”, “history.log”, “inxi -Fxz” folder and 3 screenshots that demonstrate that the translations were lost.
I hope this information is useful for the detection of the problem, now there are three antiX 21 with the same problem in the first level menu and in the toolbar texts.
I thank mr. Boy for trusting me and allowing me to perform this test on his computer.
I will not manually fix the menu files, because if they were changed in the antiX update to the English language. So they should be corrected in the next antiX update for the Brazilian Portuguese language.
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Olá anticapitalista.
Eu tentei seguir as explicações do marcelocripe para responder as perguntas que foram feitas na atualização e eu acabei me perdendo e fechei a janela.
O marcelocripe está aqui na minha casa e corrigiu o meu erro no processo de atualização, me explicou sobre as perguntas que são feitas nas atualizações do antiX e que ainda não está claro para nós se devemos responder ‘y’ ou ‘n’. Se for o ‘n’, então para que serve a atualização do antiX? Não faz sentido algum eu não querer as atualizações que o anticapitalista nos forneceu. Se ele trabalha muito tempo nas atualizações não tem sentido eu não aceitar estas atualizações.
O marcelocripe escreve o texto a seguir no meu usuário do fórum.
Anticapitalista, a atualização no antiX-21 full de 32 bits de hoje (12/01/2023) do sr. Boy também perdeu as traduções quando eu respondi “i” ou “y”.
Eu estou enviando os arquivos dos menus da pasta “skel”, “home”, “term.log”, “history.log”, “inxi -Fxz” e 3 capturas de tela que demonstram que a traduções foram perdidas.
Eu espero que estas informações sejam úteis para a detecção do problema, agora são três antiX 21 com o mesmo problema no menu do primeiro nível e nos textos da barra de ferramentas.
Eu agradeço ao sr. Boy por confiar em mim e me permitir realizar este teste no computador dele.
Eu não irei corrigir manualmente os arquivos dos menus, porque se eles foram alterados na atualização do antiX para o idioma Inglês. Então devem ser corrigidos na próxima na atualização do antiX para o idioma Português do Brasil.
caprea
Probably coincidence, but so far in the reports from antiX22, the menu has remained in the correct language, although Y has been answered.
Brian Masinick
Probably coincidence, but so far in the reports from antiX22, the menu has remained in the correct language, although Y has been answered.
I “sometimes” answer Y for some things, but IF I do, there’s usually a REASON; otherwise I simply accept whatever the default is (whether they are language related tools, shell configuration scripts, or some other “template”. If the update involves repository changes, those are things I’m INTERESTED in, so in those cases, I say YES.
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Brian Masinickcaprea
Yes, I usually just choose the default, too.
caprea
I still can not reproduce the issue-
Made a clean install of antiX21,set the language on the live stick to pt_BR, installed to hard drive.
Updated and upgraded the system. Said Y to the prompts.
The menu remains in Brazilian language.Tried this two times, once with full-upgrade and once with upgrade.
Still brazilian menu.Brian Masinick
@marcelocripe – from what I read in this thread, it seems that you suffered from a very rare bug that (probably when you accept the changes to the menu files) causes the menu config file to be overwriten by the default template that is in English (and that only happens if you accept the changes). Caprea reports that bug happening in the past, and now you. I currently have 3 computers (two with antiX 21/22 -one 32bits and the other 64bits and one with antiX 19, 64bits), I never accepted any option other than the default one, when updating my systems and I don’t recall that anything similar ever happening to me, that have everything set to pt-pt.
anticapitalista took the trouble to try to reproduce your problem and it did not affect his system. Considering that probably some thousands of computers have antiX installed and only you and caprea report this ever happening, it’s safe to say:
– if it’s a bug, it’s a very rare one, and not easily reproduced
– if it’s safe to update pt-pt systems, greek systems and german systems, it’s equally safe to update pt-br and italian systems (it’s rare but it happens I get that all the time, some script works great on one computer and errors out in another)
– if the update/upgrade process asks you any question, go with the default answer (in this case, pressing the Enter key will answer “no”, and keep your default templates- I’m assuming that what went wrong with your system probably would not happen if you went with the default answer. Even if you get that bug, when keeping the original files, restoring the first layer of the menu to the default (localized) setting can be done running this command (Please note, this is to be used ONLY if the files in the skel folder are localized), and command should be run as a normal (i.e non root) user and will restore the default (icewm) window manager menu configuration:cp /etc/skel/.icewm/menu ~/.icewm/This should work instantly, without any need to restart icewm (or, I think jwm and fluxbox, if the command is adapted to run in this two Floating Window Managers)
P.
I agree with all of this.
I do, however, acknowledge that the issues Marcelo and his friends have reported very likely HAS happened.
Here’s what I suggest for anyone able to do this: either set up another account or reinstall antiX and go through the same process.
THIS time, take the DEFAULT, that is, press the Enter key and accept all default change when updating the system.
Someone who REALLY CAN take the time and effort, try it both ways with the Brazilian Portuguese and see if they produce the same or different results and then we can attempt to repeatedly reproduce whatever occurs.
Any volunteers?
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Brian Masinick@Marcelo and “The Mas” –
It seems that the bug is not as rare as I initially though – I’m not a Developer, not even a real programmer. From what I can see, I think that no user reported that accepting the default answer (not changing the config files) resulted in loosing the correct localization for the menu file, right? That part of my conclusion still applies- stick with the defaults. I’ll try to make a post in the Portuguese tread, going into more detail about why it’s a good practice to do that… But I also present a fix for this problem, for the affected systems (it should work even if you accepted the changes to the config files, during the upgrade process):antix Menu > Terminal
(copy the command bellow and paste it in the Terminal, press enter, to run the command, then you can close the Terminal):cp /usr/share/antiX/localisation/pt-br/icewm/menu ~/.icewm/The IceWM menu should instantly be back to normal, in Brasilian Portuguese- this fix allows anyone to follow anticapitalista previous advice, no need to know how to use the terminal.
I tested this fix and instantly got the first layer of the menu in PT-BR.This does not stop this bug from happening, but does solve the problem instantly!
P.
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