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ModdIt
We (Moddit is a Plurality) have been trimming down the menu to only show what we need on a regular basis.
Most of the job has been straightforward and easy. What we have not found, or maybe overlooked is how to hide or remove the lower 3 entrys. Focus, wishes, themes. Any information on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.BobC
Those are controlled in IceWM preferences…
Turn off:
ShowThemesMenu
ShowFocusModeMenu
ShowSettingsMenuIf you turn off ShowSettingsMenu, the option won’t be there anymore to change any settings, so I don’t recommend doing that.
After changing them you would need to save modifications at the bottom of the preferences menu.
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@ Bob C, Hallo and thanks for the very quick help, in the menu we were seeing Wünsche and not associating that with Preferences as shown in your pic.. Wünsche translates to wishes.
Digging deeper and maybe useful for other new users, if that menu point was removed we would be able to reinstate it in the hidden text file /home/username/.icewm/preferences.
Preferences would be better described as Einstellung or Benutzerdefinierte Einstellungen which is very clear but a longer entry. Another translation is Vorlieben but that does not really fit this case.
Be nice if a maintainer could fix that for the stable release.
Any idea how to get that moving is welcome. Bug Report or ask Anti is what comes to our minds.They look like German words to me. I’m sorry, I don’t exactly know how translations work, especially things like menus.
What I do know is that when people take their time to help, they improve.
Please add a topic post in https://www.antixforum.com/forums/forum/antix-development/translations/ if you would be willing to help correct the errors 🙂
Anonymous
That translation issue is not the only one and is there for a looong while already (and anti knows of it).
Actualy, IceWM on German is completely screwed up and shouldn’t be used.
I’m not sure if it’s easily fixable though.FYI, On focus, I never change that. It could be removed by default pretty easily if nobody needs to change it.
@ BobC, sure German words, part of language skills here, most are German speakers, about 20% have other mother languages, most of those speak 3 or 4 languages pretty well, some more. Wish I grew up that way..
I will post and see what I am able to do in getting the biggest ICE problems fixed.@ NoClue, Ice works well for us despite some not so common or weird translations and a bit more to learn than just drag and drop, it is a lightweight low distraction tool.
XFCE desktops were quickly plastered with icons which meant users moving or closing windows to reach them, very inefficient.
Anyway a WM is a matter of user choice just as is the OS or distro, I encourage diversity, but really dislike Gnome
and unity.@BobC, sorry nearly forgot, focus is switched off already, we found no real use in changing that after playing around a bit, anyway it is also included in the settings menu structure. Weird.
Yes, I found that changing the focus options seemed to cause problems for me. But maybe somebody needs to change it.
I am sorry the menus are not good. Perhaps noclue and anti can help there.
As for me, just for fun, I suggest you make a video with text attached in english if you want me to look at it, that would show me the work flow that you are trying to follow using IceWM that is a problem for you. I can watch it and read the text and then see if I can figure out a better way to complete the same task. Try this first with one most inconvenient or inefficient task, (please limit it to something that takes less than 5 or 10 minutes, if possible) and let’s see if we can find a way to improve it. Also, are you using old 32 bit PC’s or newer ones? and how much memory is in them?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by BobC.
from NoClue came:
That translation issue is not the only one and is there for a looong while already (and anti knows of it).
Actualy, IceWM on German is completely screwed up and shouldn’t be used.
I’m not sure if it’s easily fixable though.Before going any further we (the plurality behind Moddit) request details of what is screwed up and details as to why Ice is in his (NoClue) consideration not to be used in German. This would also provide enlightenment to other members following this thread.
There may be background issues unknown to us.
Who planted that ?. Paint the roses, the queen hates white roses.
caprea
Thanks moddit, I also like to hear why icewm in german “shouldn’t be used” .
Where’s the big screw-up???Hmmm … noClue. 🙁
Hallo BobC, after we get some more information from NoClue I will go through the menu structure file, we think
not a lot needs changing but might well be very be wrong. Follow up on other information once we have it.As for a video we have no work flow, still discovering how to setup as we wish. Too dynamic for a standard flow definition at present.
I used ~/.icewm/preferences to change menu, time and date format, (US way is confusing to German speakers) and set the menu bar double height and autohide. Maybe an add to bar entry in the control center would be useful for those used to gui tools. I read of some existing scripts, add to menu and add to bar so perhaps easy to do.
I first put non deb applications in the personal menu using the control center tool then copied the resulting call line to toolbar and menu-papirus. Maybe there is a more elegant way but it does work.
Moddit,
What version of antiX are you running?
Are the computers fast enough or very slow?
It sounds like you might be solving your workflow problems yourself with the toolbar and personal menu.
If you are satisfied with the results then I am happy too. But if you are not satisfied then my offer to help is still available if you show me the details of the problems.@ No Clue, thanks for the screenshots, you love those.
@ all who may wish to join in the discussion.
Could we please use, as an example the underlying file entrys for suggestions ie. on home level for now following example.~/.icewm/ menu “Desktop” /usr/share/icons/papirus-antix/48×48/apps/user-desktop.png {
Suggest change entry Desktop to Schreibtisch.
That way we all know error location and it is easier to setup a stick with changes and pass on an iso for users to try. Later the main template can be changed.
Will also take a look at Suse and Manjaro menu translations, both have German developer team, better to not differ to much so as to allow a familiar interface. Not just for ICE in the end all desktops and variants in the family AntiX and MX should follow as well. Much easier for all users that way.
No answer on why ICEWM should not be used in German. As caprea asked, where is the big screw up.
Who planted that ?. Paint the roses, the queen hates white roses.
For those who do not know, a big problem in wonderland.
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