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I am not sure if you solved all your problems, seaken64, but here are some usefull tips for anyone with problems:
– Startup file not launching – As stated on the incomplete wiki article,From https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/IceWM#Starting_IceWM
Note: If not using the antiX Desktop Session program, consider changing the Exec command from icewm to icewm-session if you want to use the startup file to launch applications on startup.– Update Applications menu and logout (presumably with slim, not tested without slim), as commented by others
From https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Desktop_Session#Installation
For updating the default Applications menu automatically (for any of the supported Window managers) every time a new program is installed, the packages desktop-defaults-base-antix, xdg-utils, python-gtk2 and python-xdg are also needed.$ sudo apt install desktop-defaults-base-antix xdg-utils python-gtk2 python-xdgFor the “Exit Session” window to work, the packages pm-utils and python-gtk2 are also needed.
Thread related to building fluxbox+antix core (much can be learnt from here)
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/dolphin-oracle-antix-core-custom-install-videos/antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.
Brian Masinick
What is a login manager?
A login manager is a login system for Unix and Unix-like operating systems. It comprises a login daemon, a login user interface, and a system for tracking login sessions. When a user tries to log in, the login manager passes the user’s credentials to an authentication system.
Source: https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNsTmutfUB8ABzAnnIlQ;_ylc=X1MDMTM1MTE5NTY4NwRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1tb3ppbGxhLTEwMgRncHJpZAMEbl9yc2x0AzAEbl9zdWdnAzAEb3JpZ2luA3NlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMwBHFzdHJsAzEzBHF1ZXJ5A2xvZ2luJTIwbWFuYWdlcgR0X3N0bXADMTYwOTI3NTkzNA–?p=login+manager&fr2=sb-top&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-102&type=newtabWhat is a Session Manager?
A session manager provides real-time monitoring and control of all privileged account sessions to prevent and to detect malicious activity.
Privileged session management may be integrated into existing SIEM, Security Automation and Orchestration (SAO), and Intrusion Detection systems (IDS) to allow SecOps to identify and stop suspicious or unauthorized actions in real-time. Additionally, a session manager provides an unimpeachable audit trail that allows for compliance and incident investigation.
Key features of a session manager include:Real-time monitoring and alerting.
Real-time control systems.
RDP / SSH access control.
OCR Systems for RDP search and control functionality.
Authorization workflows.
Compliance and audit systems.A session manager is critical to the flow and function of your privileged access management (PAM) system. PAM is used to manage and limit the access of users in an organization to certain applications, programs, and critical information. A session manager works in conjunction with an access manager and password manager, to ensure that critical information is only accessible to specific users.
Source: http://blog.wallix.com/session-manager/
What is Dell display manager?
Dell Display Manager. What is Dell Display Manager? (from EnTech Taiwan) Dell Display Manager is a Windows application used to manage a monitor or a group of monitors. It allows manual adjustment of the displayed image, assignment ofautomatic settings, energy management, window organization, image rotation and other features on select Dell models.
What is windows display manager?
Display manager. A display manager, or login manager, is typically a graphical user interface that is displayed at the end of the boot process in place of the default shell. There are various implementations of display managers, just as there are various types of window managers and desktop environments.
A display manager, or login manager, is typically a graphical user interface that is displayed at the end of the boot process in place of the default shell. There are various implementations of display managers, just as there are various types of window managers and desktop environments. There is usually a certain amount of customization and themeability available with each one.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Manager
desktop manager
A user interface to system services, usually icon and menu based like the Macintosh Finder, enabling the user to run application programs and use a file system without directly using the command language of the operating system.desktop manager
The part of a GUI that displays the desktop and icons, that allows programs to be launched from the icons and that allows files to be visually dragged and dropped (copied, deleted, etc.). The desktop manager combined with the window manager make up the GUI. The desktop manager is included with Windows and the Mac.
Copyright © 1981-2019 by The Computer Language Company Inc. All Rights reserved. THIS DEFINITION IS FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. All other reproduction is strictly prohibited without permission from the publisher.https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Desktop+manager
- This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Brian Masinick.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Brian Masinick.
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desktop manager
The part of a GUI that displays the desktop and icons, that allows programs to be launched from the icons and that allows files to be visually dragged and dropped (copied, deleted, etc.).Reading this, the term makes sense, and is more correct than phrase “icon manager” I had grown accustomed to using through the years.
Brian Masinick
Skidoo, thank you for bringing up the topic. The truth is that when the “desktop environment” emerged – first CDE, closely followed by KDE and XFCE (or Xfce, depending on whose information you read), then GNOME about a year later, the term desktop window manager was used to describe KWM, xfwm, etc., the window manager components within the more complete desktop environment.
DE, or desktop environment, is the correct term for the more comprehensive environment, window manager is the simple term and desktop window manager is sometimes used to describe the window manager in the desktop environment. What sometimes catches me – and you caught me saying it, is that I inadvertently misuse desktop environment (DE) and desktop manager (DM), when in the second instance, I should either be referring to the window manager component or the complete environment.
You can see from the references I shared that many others make the same mistake; frankly, looking at the more accurate (believable) sources in the references, such as looking back at the published stuff in the late eighties and early nineties, the terms you use are absolutely correct; it’s the inaccurate use of the terms over a long period of time that makes it difficult to get it right.
DM really ought to be DE in this context, namely Desktop Environment, when referring to CDE, KDE, XFCE, GNOME, LXDE and LXQT.
Others, like Enlightenment and fvwm-crystal really blur the distinctions, at least in my own mind between a window manager and an integrated desktop environment. As far as a login manager is concerned, SLIM appears to be from the era of the early ones, along with xdm, before the kdm, xfwm, and other ones – some of which were called “display manager” rather than “login manager”. I think that’s where I get confused unless I return to the original documents every single time I mention anything.I go on and on here, both to make some mental notes to myself, and to question several of the “questionable” references. Doing more research, your use of the terminology is consistent with the most trustworthy resources I have been able to find, and therefore I want to thank you once again; my purpose is to help not only my own memory, hopefully raising the importance of research and accuracy; I thank you for insuring we have accuracy and consistency. and also some ‘wit’ along the way – appreciate it!
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manyroads
ah the caffeine shortages….
Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"Brian Masinick
ah the caffeine shortages….
… or is it “brain freeze”, or “isolation infection:?
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Brian Masinickseaken64
Great stuff everyone! This is exactly what I need. You are helping me (and future antiX explorers) learn how to find the information I need to make better decisions about my own setup.
I am not actually sure that my goal of using startx is the correct approach. But I assumed it was going to be possible to make such a choice in antiX by modifying the scripts and config files. I first started learning Linux with Slackware and Vector. With those systems I always typed startx to go into the GUI. I’ve always liked that approach. Sometimes I just want to stay in the console and don’t want to start the X windows GUI. I like that approach instead of the automatic GUI login and then having to switch to a console on another tty. But that doesn’t mean I am right about it. It’s just what I was used to.
The other thought I had about this is that I am working with some very limited machines. I didn’t want to use the extra ram for a login manager if it is not needed. But I may go ahead and adjust my thinking on this and go ahead and run the login manager if that will lead to a more functional login/logout procedure.
Along the way I am learning about sessions. I am questioning the PAM idea as a single user on a single machine. But I get that user security is a good idea. I just am not sure I need all the security on my own machine with me being the only user. But I will continue to study these ideas and how they affect the choices we make when setting up an antiX machine.
Thank you all for your input. I am reading each and every link and search suggestion you all have made. It is enlightening and I think I may be able to grasp this process of “spinning” or creating my own Linux from an antiX CORE.
Seaken64
- This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by seaken64.
ah the caffeine shortages….
when I run out of caffeine I switch to scotch!
I used the term “DM” a few times. I meant Display Manager but I can see how spelling it out as Display Manager is better and limits confusion. I may have used Desktop Manager too. It’s easy to get confused on these terms, especially as a relative Linux newbie. But Desktop Manager really does not fit in this topic and if I used it it was in error.
I think I prefer Login Manager anyway and will not use DM or Display Manager.
I would like to see a simple Login Manager that does not require the typical fluff of the GUI. I tend to skew in favor of simple text in a lot of these things. I think logging in can be handled without pretty pictures. Especially if those pretty pictures take up precious RAM.
Seaken64
Brian Masinick
@Seaken64: If it’s only for you and you are familiar with startx then go for it.
I suggested using a login manager for the sake of other people; if you are more comfortable with startx and can show others how to login with your approach then do it.
I used the same thing with my very first Slackware distro and it was fast fun and efficient.
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