Unable to boot AntiX 22 LiveCD with new kernel on Optimus laptop

[Member ctcx]

I have a Lenovo laptop with the following specs:

demo@antix1:~
$ inxi -Fxz
System:
  Kernel: 4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 10.2.1 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.0.1
    Distro: antiX-22_x64-base Grup Yorum 19 October 2022
    base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20H5A04DLM v: ThinkPad E570
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 20H5A04DLM v: SDK0J40697 WIN
    serial: <superuser required> UEFI: LENOVO v: R0DETA6W (2.06 )
    date: 01/27/2022
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 7.0 Wh (259.3%) condition: 2.7/41.0 Wh (6.5%)
    volts: 15.3 min: 14.6 model: LGC 01AV418 status: charging
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5-7200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    arch: Amber/Kaby Lake note: check rev: 9 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB
    L3: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2528 high: 3100 min/max: 400/3100 cores: 1: 847 2: 3072
    3: 3093 4: 3100 bogomips: 21696
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 620 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen9.5 bus-ID: 00:02.0
  Device-2: NVIDIA GM108M [GeForce 940MX] vendor: Lenovo driver: N/A
    arch: Maxwell bus-ID: 01:00.0
  Device-3: Realtek Integrated Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
    bus-ID: 1-7:5
  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5
    direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Lenovo
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1f.3
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    vendor: Lenovo driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: c000 bus-ID: 04:00.0
  IF: eth1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Wireless 8265 / 8275 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel
    bus-ID: 05:00.0
  IF: wlan1 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 223.57 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: A-Data model: SU630 size: 223.57 GiB
Partition:
  Message: No partition data found.
Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 52.0 C pch: 49.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0
Info:
  Processes: 146 Uptime: 20m Memory: 7.77 GiB used: 2.23 GiB (28.7%)
  Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 Packages: 1246
  Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 inxi: 3.3.19
demo@antix1:~
$

This was done by booting with the legacy kernel, because with the new one booting process always gets stuck at the “Waiting for /dev to be fully populated…” message.
Also, with the legacy kernel, there’s an issue: it loads just the basic llvmpipe driver for GPU; I’d expect for at least nouveau be loaded…

Could someone help here, please?

Thanks.

[Member Robin]

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Try install 5.10.142 antiX kernel first. If it still fails, give the 5.19.0 debian kernel a try. For me the nouveau driver in both these kernels worked properly on nvidia (in a really old 32 bit single core notebook) finally, while all the other kernels needed proprietary nvidia driver to be installed in order to work properly without the issues you described (and some more). All the nouveau before was broken.

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

[Member ctcx]

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What if I’m trying booting directly from the Full livecd, as already implied in the thread title?

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

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You could try these steps.

Boot legacy kernel
Install another kernel
Remaster
Live kernel updater to default new kernel
Reboot

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

[Moderator caprea]

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If that doesn’t work you could try to boot the 5.10 kernel with nouveau.modeset=0
This will stop the nvidia card loaded from kernel, but might the intel card gets used properly.
It’s anyway using intel with 4.9 , gpu: i915
Like Robin said, you probably need a newer kernel.

[Member ctcx]

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Oh, so it may be that “new kernel” shipped by default in AntiX 22 Full ISO may be not enough and needs newer kernel (though this laptop is like a decade old…)

Now that talking about remastering, let’s say I want to install nvidia proprietary drivers in a live USB. Is the way just installing, then remastering, like with kernel? (They need reboot to properly work…)
If using this remastered live USB in other systems with no nvidia hardware, will proprietary drivers cause problems, or will system just load proper modules and nothing else?

Finally, if wanting to preserve an installed package (for example, unifont), do I need to remaster as well, or could root persistence be enough?

Thanks again for your help.

[Moderator caprea]

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If installing nvidia driver on live-usb, it will eventually write a Xorg.conf, which makes the stick useless for other hardware.
Normally persistence is enough, but remastering has advantages eg. it boots faster.

Edit:I would guess the laptop is 4- 5 years old.

• This reply was modified 3 months ago by caprea.

[Member ctcx]

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After remastering I’d have two kernels; how can I select which one to boot from? (I may need both depending on situation…)

If I’m already using root persistence, then install new kernel and remaster the live USB, will the same root persistence be still totally usable, or will I need to create another one?

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

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1. After Remaster and before rebooting, make sure you run live-kernel-updater to choose the new default kernel.
2. After every remaster you will need to create a new rootfs. The old one is saved just in case something goes wrong.

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

[Moderator BobC]

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I don’t have the same processor, so this may or may not work, but my processor is similar (Skylake-S), so its probably worth an attempt.

You will need to run inxi -zv7 to get the address for the i915.force_probe which is needed for the newest kernels.

Note where I got the 191b value from my inxi output:

Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen9 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0
    chip-ID: 8086:191b class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: NVIDIA GM107M [GeForce GTX 960M] vendor: Dell driver: N/A
    arch: Maxwell pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8 bus-ID: 02:00.0
    chip-ID: 10de:139b class-ID: 0302

Try adding this to your boot parameters:

acpi_osi=!Windows i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 i915.alpha_support=1 i915.force_probe=191b

• This reply was modified 3 months ago by BobC.
• This reply was modified 3 months ago by BobC.

[Member ctcx]

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So I had to remaster and rollback several times…

Tried installing linux-image-5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp
Result: exactly the same, gets stuck at the “Waiting for /dev to be fully populated…”

Tried installing linux-image-5.19.0-0.deb11.2-amd64
Result: finally booted into system

Though the used GPU driver is still not nouveau:

demo@antix1:~
$ inxi -zv7
[...]
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 620 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen9.5 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:5916 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: NVIDIA GM108M [GeForce 940MX] vendor: Lenovo driver: N/A
    arch: Maxwell pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 4 bus-ID: 01:00.0
    chip-ID: 10de:134d class-ID: 0302
[...]
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5
    direct render: Yes
[...]
demo@antix1:~
$

This leaves me with several questions…
–How could I use nouveau driver in live USB?
–What’s wrong with 5.10.142 that neither worked at all?
And @BobC :
–Is your suggestion meant to be tested with default 4.9.0, 5.10.142, or both?

Thanks again for your assistance.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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ctcx, that is the same issue I have seen ever since the 5.10 kernel came out.

Affected me on my Dell laptop.

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Brian Masinick

[Moderator BobC]

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Those settings should work from 4 to 6. It might give a warning depending on the kernel version. I’m running Kernel: 6.0.0-11.2-liquorix-amd64 currently. 5.10 didn’t work for this machine. Its always been finicky.

You should replace with 5916 where I have 191d

[Member stevesr0]

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hi ctcx,

Don’t know if this is relevant, but I just stumbled over a package (bbswitch-dkms) which specifically toggles the power for NVIDIA cards on two types of Optimus laptops.

The package builds a kernel module. It is located in the Debian unstable repo.

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