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  • #133421
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    entropyagent

      I am quite excited about the init options expansion – thanks to all those who have got us this far.

      #133432
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      Brian Masinick

        >
        I love our software and I prefer it too but I do have a broader overall view. I believe there is a legitimate place for Apple, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle and other large companies and there is also a place for small companies, both commercial and free. It’s all about the “freedom of choice” that I personally advocate
        >

        It’s possibly worth bearing in mind, as one formulates one’s view, that “they” do not necessarily regard small orgs, both commercial and free, as anything more than a resource from which ideas, talent and labour can be harvested. And that might be only when they don’t think in terms of “cancer”. Maybe.

        Large companies want to make money, it’s as simple as that. Unless they are limited, either by law, financial penalties, imprisonment or similar constraints they will do almost anything to increase revenue and profit.

        Free projects, on the other hand, are a way for creative people to explore their interests and share with others. Sometimes that is the only motivation. Other times the attention and popularity are ways to get into the profit making machines, so not everyone in free software is truly interested in “software freedom” either, so discretion and awareness are necessary to determine what the real motive is in each project.

        It’s definitely about sharing in antiX; we haven’t seen it change since the beginning, whereas Simply MEPIS was free, but it was also abandoned and picked up to form MX Linux by the former MEPIS Lovers Community when Warren Woodford needed to pay his bills so he dropped MEPIS and went to business as a well paid software engineer/consultant.

        I needed to work too, so I took jobs at Financial Services companies that used UNIX and Linux, but then I had to find ANY work, so my final job involved testing XML feeds for an auto financing application.

        Not necessarily my idea of fun; sometimes it’s necessary to do what jobs are available and that’s how I ended my career.

        I had many good jobs and a few that just paid the bills.

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        #133436
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        rokytnji

          Took me awhile but I found me a hard drive that would fit this laptop.

          antix@antix-x64-init-diversity:~
          $ inxi -Fxz
          System:
            Kernel: 6.1.42-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
              v: 13.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.4.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
              base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
          Machine:
            Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E4310 v: 0001
              serial: <superuser required>
            Mobo: Dell model: 0T6M8G v: A01 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Dell
              v: A03 date: 07/08/2010
          Battery:
            ID-1: BAT0 charge: 31.1 Wh (100.0%) condition: 31.1/48.8 Wh (63.7%)
              volts: 12.4 min: 11.1 model: Samsung SDI DELL RM6618A status: full
          CPU:
            Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5 M 520 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
              arch: Westmere rev: 5 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
            Speed (MHz): avg: 1599 high: 2400 min/max: 1199/2400 boost: enabled cores:
              1: 1599 2: 1199 3: 1199 4: 2400 bogomips: 19151
            Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
          Graphics:
            Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Dell driver: i915
              v: kernel arch: Gen-5.75 bus-ID: 00:02.0
            Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: intel dri: crocus
              gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
            API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: crocus,swrast platforms:
              active: gbm,x11,surfaceless,device inactive: wayland
            API: OpenGL v: 2.1 vendor: intel mesa v: 22.3.6 glx-v: 1.4
              direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics (ILK)
          Audio:
            Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Dell 5
              driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
            API: ALSA v: k6.1.42-antix.1-amd64-smp status: kernel-api
            Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.3 status: active
          Network:
            Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network vendor: Dell driver: e1000e
              v: kernel port: 6040 bus-ID: 00:19.0
            IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
            Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel
              bus-ID: 02:00.0
            IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
          Bluetooth:
            Device-1: Dell DW375 Bluetooth Module driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB
              bus-ID: 2-1.7:3
            Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 3 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 3.0
              lmp-v: 5
          Drives:
            Local Storage: total: 298.09 GiB used: 8.59 GiB (2.9%)
            ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST320LT007-9ZV142 size: 298.09 GiB
          Partition:
            ID-1: / size: 85.95 GiB used: 8.59 GiB (10.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
          Swap:
            Alert: No swap data was found.
          Sensors:
            System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0 C mobo: N/A sodimm: SODIMM C
            Fan Speeds (rpm): cpu: 3062
          Info:
            Processes: 179 Uptime: 1m Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.69 GiB
            used: 486.8 MiB (6.2%) Init: s6 Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 Packages: 2014
            Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 inxi: 3.3.31
          antix@antix-x64-init-diversity:~
          

          md5sum, install media check” checked good. Error I had running live

          /bin/live-umount: exec:line 752:reboot:not found
          /bin/live-umount:exec:line 735: reboot: not found

          I have 2 startup boxes in antiXcc . One did nothing after password was entered. The other opened the sysvinit startup gui. I think with all the choices on grub offered I pick s6 boot. I have 2 kernel 6.1 entries for that. Ran the upgrade grub command after initial install. Edit: My bad. Put on my reading glasses and saw s6 and s6rc for the 2 kernel entries.
          Just booted up so I tried streamtuner 2 after setting player preferences to xmms but nothing opens to play when I hit play.
          Sound is working OK in Firefox.
          Browser did not save changes between when I picked default boot and booted into s6 next.
          Bluetooth is working fine on my rig.
          Guess I’ll try runit boot choice next.

          One thing I noticed while I reboot into all these choices. My bluetooth setup survives between choices. Font dpi settings don’t survive.

          • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by rokytnji. Reason: Mistake needed editing

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          I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute off it.
          Motorcycle racing is rocket science.

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          #133441
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          rokytnji
            antix@antix-x64-init-diversity:~
            $ sudo apt update
            Get:1 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm InRelease [27.4 kB]
            Get:2 http://security.debian.org bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]         
            Hit:3 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease                       
            Get:4 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm/main i386 Packages [342 kB]
            Get:5 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [55.4 kB]
            Get:6 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm/main amd64 Packages [359 kB]
            Get:7 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm/nonfree amd64 Packages [9,423 B]
            Get:8 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm/nonfree i386 Packages [9,765 B]
            Get:9 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm/nosystemd i386 Packages [230 kB]
            Get:10 http://la.mxrepo.com/antix//bookworm bookworm/nosystemd amd64 Packages [231 kB]
            Hit:11 http://deb-s6-rc-66-init-experimental.duckdns.org:8080 experimental-s6 InRelease
            Reading package lists... Done
            E: Release file for http://security.debian.org/dists/bookworm-security/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 18min 32s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
            E: Release file for http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/bookworm-updates/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 3h 5min 31s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
            antix@antix-x64-init-diversity:~
            

            Changed repo manager to salt lake city. Guess I’ll wait awhile to dist-upgrade. I am now in sysvinit boot.

            Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
            I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute off it.
            Motorcycle racing is rocket science.

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            How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problems

            #133442
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            Brian Masinick

              @rokytnji Is the Salt Lake City antiX repo any faster or more responsive than the la server?

              I’ve used a variety of servers over the years. I’ve found the ones that are serviced through universities tend to have more variation in their overall availability and responsiveness, but it’s usually not much different. I’ve been using either RIT or the la one listed above and they work great for me.

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              #133444
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              ProwlerGr

                So, if my understanding is correct, after 10 years, following the defeat of other init systems in Debian’s world by systemd, the best strategy would be to add systemd init option to the antiX syslinux (and grub) menu.

                Not at all, antiX has an important purpose, serves it pretty well & should not change its character as a distro.
                I’m thinking MX on the other hand comes with systemd preinstalled & shares a common base with antiX (to my understanding) so it could (with adaptions) potentially provide a good base for another similar POC.

                #133445
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                Brian Masinick

                  So, if my understanding is correct, after 10 years, following the defeat of other init systems in Debian’s world by systemd, the best strategy would be to add systemd init option to the antiX syslinux (and grub) menu.

                  No real need for that, I’m thinking MX comes with systemd preinstalled & shares a common base with antiX (to my understanding) so it could (with adaptions) potentially provide a good base for another similar POC.

                  I like that idea, @ProwlerGr and I’d be happy to try it out, since MX Linux AHS 23 is currently one of my other distributions I have installed; I’d be glad to replace it with an MX init-diversity POC any time! Drop us a line here if that happens; though I use MX Linux, I don’t follow their forum as much as I did in the MEPIS Lovers Forum days! 🙂

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                  #133447
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                  olsztyn

                    ProwlerGr wrote:
                    olsztyn wrote:
                    So, if my understanding is correct, after 10 years, following the defeat of other init systems in Debian’s world by systemd, the best strategy would be to add systemd init option to the antiX syslinux (and grub) menu.

                    No real need for that, I’m thinking MX comes with systemd preinstalled & shares a common base with antiX (to my understanding) so it could (with adaptions) potentially provide a good base for another similar POC.

                    I like that idea, @ProwlerGr and I’d be happy to try it out, since MX Linux AHS 23 is currently one of my other distributions I have installed; I’d be glad to replace it with an MX init-diversity POC any time!

                    Coincidentally MX crossed my mind when I was writing my post, as another (and probably easier) candidate for such project, as systemd is already included, while for antiX it would have to re-added…
                    Besides, my guess is anticapitalista would prefer to stick to no-systemd ideology, as systemd represents totalitarian approach, with centralized system control, which is not my cup of tea either…
                    I only bounced the idea of adding systemd option to demonstrate to all that no-systemd and systemd init systems can coexist in one distro and for antiX this would mean an exceptional position in Linux world.
                    If such multi-init project is indeed initiated, I would be happy to do some testing as well…

                    Edit:
                    If demonstration of peaceful coexistence if no-systemd and systemd init systems is at stake, to end this 10-year war, and Nobel Peace Prize is awarded in Linux world then at least either MX or antiX would be such recipient, so the fame would stay in the family…

                    • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by olsztyn.

                    Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
                    http://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

                    #133449
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                    ProwlerGr

                      I have quickly tested the latest official MX23.1 on virtualbox with OP2 script on other thread & it works as follows: sysvinit & systemd work unaffected – s6-rc & s6-66 options take you to login prompt, & runit just hangs.
                      It all comes down to one thing to get “init-diversity” on all debian based distros: service-files.
                      Every distro needs its own tailored s6-rc-services.deb & s6-66-services.deb (& I’m guessing the same applies for runit).

                      #133450
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                      rokytnji

                        Just a habit of mine to pick Salt Lake City. Always had hiccups when I tried any place else.
                        I am booted into s6 66 I think. Just checked with pstree.

                        ├─s6-supervise───s6-fdholderd
                                  ├─s6-supervise───66-shutdownd
                        

                        Not really testing right now. Did notice though that all antiXcc have 2 startup buttons.
                        Volume settings stay consistent. Wireless settings stay consistent. Have not booted the 5.10 kernel lines yet in grub.
                        Just stopping by before bed time.

                        Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
                        I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute off it.
                        Motorcycle racing is rocket science.

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                        #133487
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                        rokytnji

                          Booted into 5.10 s6 rc. Not sure yet. But my swap file is loading now. I think in the 6.1 kernel. I showed 0 swap in conky.
                          Will have to investigate further. Edit: after multi reboot checks. It is kernel line 6.1 s6 66 that shows 0 for swap file.
                          All other kernel options OK. Did notice all kernel shutdowns came with a startpar xrdg message warning about services.
                          Just mentioning that.

                          Probably just my gear runs better on 5.10. Everything else is working fine for use case.
                          Breakfast time. Bye.

                          2nd edit: kernel 5.10 s6 66 does not see my swap file either.
                          Must be a s6 66 thing.

                          antix@antix-x64-init-diversity:~
                          $ sudo free -h
                                         total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
                          Mem:           7.7Gi       1.0Gi       6.3Gi        67Mi       683Mi       6.6Gi
                          Swap:             0B          0B          0B
                          

                          3rd edit. Booted now into s6 rc 6.1 kernel just to show the difference.

                          antix@antix-x64-init-diversity:~
                          $ sudo free -h
                          [sudo] password for antix: 
                                         total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
                          Mem:           7.7Gi       462Mi       7.2Gi        32Mi       278Mi       7.2Gi
                          Swap:          3.0Gi          0B       3.0Gi
                          
                          • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by rokytnji.
                          • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by rokytnji.
                          • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by rokytnji.

                          Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
                          I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute off it.
                          Motorcycle racing is rocket science.

                          Linux Registered User # 475019
                          How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problems

                          #133508
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                          rokytnji

                            While in 6.1 s6 rc. Bluez threw out a daemon error. When trying to open blueman.

                            To start blueman. I opened rox and typed in

                            sudo bluetoothd start

                            Did not close terminal after it (the command) just sat there. Hit blueman in preferences and it opened.
                            Connected skull candy external usb speaker and connected.
                            Will reboot to see if changes stuck.

                            Boot times between choices are really not noticeable on this laptop by me. All boot fast.

                            Edit: scratch that. Closed terminal and blueman shutdown and disconnected. Now gives same bluez error when trying to start.

                            • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by rokytnji.

                            Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
                            I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute off it.
                            Motorcycle racing is rocket science.

                            Linux Registered User # 475019
                            How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problems

                            #133511
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                            rokytnji

                              In 6.1 runit now. Blueman opens fine. Speaker connects. I opened streamtuner2 on another desktop. My changes using xmms to open streams worked. But through laptop speakers. Not sure why? Checked with youtube and sound exhibits the same behavior.

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                              Edit: going to call it day and spend some time with the wife. It is her day off.

                              • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by rokytnji.

                              Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
                              I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute off it.
                              Motorcycle racing is rocket science.

                              Linux Registered User # 475019
                              How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problems

                              #133513
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                              Brian Masinick

                                I reinstalled the recent Valentines Day (0214) ISO image on my Lenovo X201, where I already had a previous init-diversity image, and it
                                worked well again.

                                As before, the understandable difference in speed and performance between this nice, but old system and my usual HP-14 tests my patience at times, but most things work fine.

                                Interestingly enough, I usually dispose of the Firefox ESR and grab a newer version; using the Software Installer, also called the Package Installer elsewhere, installing the current Firefox release is not working today from the tool. I’ll check later to see if there have been any issues; hopefully I can grab my own personal versions in one of my typical locations. Otherwise all is well.

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                                #133517
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                                Brian Masinick

                                  I WAS able to go to the official Mozilla site and they have a set of procedures where you can obtain Firefox various ways.
                                  In my case, I chose to set up the repository so I could install and update the current release version of Firefox,
                                  and I will also manually download a Developer Edition for my personal use to compare.

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