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caprea
This message is also shown in about:performance in firefox 52.0.2
If you want to use webrender you can enable it by setting gfx.webrender to true in about_config.
I didn’t try until now.
greyowl
Really should test on your own system, surfing the same sites and performing the same activities, to draw your own conclusion.
You can visit reddit.com/r/firefox/new and read wildly divergent reports stating “how much gooder” (or not) it is.FWIW, I recommend sticking with firefox ESR (currently v52.5.0).
How would one go about trying out the new v. 57? How to upgrade the current version in antiX with the new version 57?
Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)
Thanks caprea!–I will try this.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 5 months ago by greyowl.
Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)
caprea
It’s not possible in firefox-esr, only in firefox.
I have both installed.Anonymous
link: Nov 17 reddit topic which has garnered 429 replies within 12hrs
Firefox 57 Quantum has landed! How is it working for you?netmarketshare.com
has pegged ff usage (desktop, not mobile) at 13.14% for Oct 2017.
This stat closely matches that of statcounter ~~ 13.04%
w3counter stats show a slightly lower figure ~~ 9.1%
clicky (aka getclicky) provides more granular, day-by-day, charting… shows 9–12% as of Nov 5.
clicky also provides breakout, per version, reporting.That latter chart may be the “most interesting” to watch across the coming weeks.
We can expect to see v57 trend upward within these next 2 weeks as Mozilla pushes out auto-upgrades…
…then (I predict) a pullback as a portion of firefox users turn-their-nose-up-at, and reject, the drastically changed browser
(leaving users with most of their previously-installed addons busted/disabled).Due to the mid-month timing of the release, and allowing for deer-in-headlights confusion among users, I will probably
discountdisregard the stat reported by marketshare.com for November. The telling (IMO) will be found in the Dec2017 netmarketshare.com stat; I expect we will find that firefox has shed 18–25% of its current users by then.13.04%
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9.78% {————- my anticipated Dec2017 netmarketshare.com statIf the new (WebExtensions) firefox ecosystem blossoms, ff share may rebound above 10–12% around June2018 (when security updates support for ff52-ESR is slated to end).
fatmac
I gave 57 a quick look, it downloaded & started up OK, but when it went to websites, there was nothing on my screen, only the header saying that I was indeed on the site – now deleted, & won’t get another look until it is judged usable by a big majority of Linux users. 😆
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I did some tests comparing FF 57 with the current version of Palemoon (27.6.1) on a Dell Latitude D610 with 2GB RAM, 32 bit.
With 9 tabs open, FF uses 655 mb of ram and PM uses 474 mb of RAM
PM was faster at opening websites.
Enabling webrender in FF did not make any difference in its speed of opening websites.Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)
The masses railed (rallied?) for years, demanding “multiprocess” (because “Chrome is, and it’s faster”).
Yeah, it’s time to pay the piper.
64bit, multi-process, with gobs of inbuilt “services” configured as enabled by default… what could go wrong?greyowl, if you still have it installed:
although I don’t recall the exact preference key name, you can tune (tone down, limit) ff memory consumption by adjusting the max number of concurrent “process threads”.In task manager, FF shows the basic entry plus additional entries depending on how many tabs you have opened and the nature of the activity. I haven’t been able to figure out how to limit the entries (memory) or see what effect this would have on performance.
Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)
anticapitalista
I found that firefox 57 uses more memory than the default (upgraded) firefox-esr on antiX stretch. IIRC it was something like 350 MB for firefox plus another 350 MB for processes dependent on firefox.
Firefox-esr is still a memory hog though. According to ps_mem.py
410.7 MiB + 6.4 MiB = 417.0 MiB firefox-esrThis is my ps_mem.py at idle
Private + Shared = RAM used Program 84.0 KiB + 50.0 KiB = 134.0 KiB sleep 144.0 KiB + 34.0 KiB = 178.0 KiB startpar 168.0 KiB + 33.5 KiB = 201.5 KiB ifup 208.0 KiB + 38.5 KiB = 246.5 KiB sh 224.0 KiB + 37.5 KiB = 261.5 KiB gpm 296.0 KiB + 35.0 KiB = 331.0 KiB acpid 284.0 KiB + 72.5 KiB = 356.5 KiB init 332.0 KiB + 91.0 KiB = 423.0 KiB irqbalance 320.0 KiB + 166.5 KiB = 486.5 KiB process-reaper 340.0 KiB + 356.5 KiB = 696.5 KiB herbstclient 632.0 KiB + 154.0 KiB = 786.0 KiB dbus-daemon 368.0 KiB + 668.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB avahi-daemon (2) 868.0 KiB + 220.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB desktop-session 916.0 KiB + 275.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB sudo 1.2 MiB + 152.0 KiB = 1.4 MiB awk 1.3 MiB + 151.0 KiB = 1.4 MiB sshd 908.0 KiB + 591.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB getty (6) 1.2 MiB + 326.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB gnome-keyring-daemon 1.0 MiB + 754.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB herbstluftwm 916.0 KiB + 1.0 MiB = 1.9 MiB dzen2 2.3 MiB + 250.0 KiB = 2.6 MiB dhclient 2.5 MiB + 265.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB wpa_supplicant 1.8 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 2.9 MiB console-kit-daemon 2.9 MiB + 965.0 KiB = 3.8 MiB polkitd 3.8 MiB + 82.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB rsyslogd 2.8 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 4.0 MiB bash (6) 3.5 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 4.8 MiB slim 6.9 MiB + 2.7 MiB = 9.5 MiB urxvt (2) 7.6 MiB + 3.3 MiB = 10.9 MiB udevd (17) 17.8 MiB + 957.5 KiB = 18.7 MiB Xorg --------------------------------- 80.7 MiB =================================Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
Fresh ff52.5.0 64bit, no language packs, prefs not yet tweaked:
351.7 MiB + 13.8 MiB = 365.6 MiB firefox-esr
^—- 4 tabs open440.6 MiB + 14.1 MiB = 454.7 MiB firefox-esr
^—- added a 5th tab, youtube video currently playinga related reference (the linked page displays an interactive graph):
Set aside the “accuracy” of that stat. It’s more enlightening (sez me) to correlate bumps and changes in the trend with events. Did the introduction of forced pulseaudio significantly affect the trend? Howabout the introduction of EME (DRM, enablement of NetFlix playback) ?
tlaloc77
quite a field of alternatives to choose from, eh
Installed:
– Chromium
– Dillo
– Firefox ESR
– Konqueror
– Links 2
– Midori (a bit quirky but works on a quick test)
– Netsurf (doesn’t run, error: “Unable to initialise the font system”)
– (new) Opera (stable, beta, developer)
– Palemoon (my favorite up to now)
– Qupzilla (hmm, invisible buttons… but works otherwise in a qick test)
– surf (not mentioned on the image, very simple, seems buggy)I would like to install some more.
– (old) Opera 12.16.1860 (same as opera-next): As soon as I select it for installation, synaptic shows the following in a window:
opera: Hängt ab von: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>=0.10.16) but it is not installable Hängt ab von: libgstreamer0.10-0 (>=0.10.15) but it is not installable Hängt ab von: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good but it is not installable Hängt ab von: fonts-liberation, aber es wird nicht installiert oder ttf-liberation, aber es wird nicht installiert oder ttf-mscorefonts-installer, aber es wird nicht installiertlibgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 is installed, so I’d need older libs – how can I get them and how can I avoid them getting removed by some update? They won’t get overwritten because the files have version numbers in their names but I suspect that trying to install a newer version in parallel would get the older version removed. The new, chrome-based Opera, several versions: 49.0, 50.0 and 51.0 as of now. The package names are different, all can be installed at the same time, cool. Alas, the executable in opera-stable is named opera, so it would conflict with the old Opera.
– Otter: There seems to be no .deb available, so it could only be installed outside of the package manager realm. Later.
– Waterfox: No .deb available, thus same difficulty as with Otter. Later.– slimjet: Found under Browsers in the package installer, alas, all I managed to do was downloading a package, it is not getting installed. Synaptic has something like “Add downloaded package” which opens a filesystem window and I can navigate to where the slimjet_amd64.deb is, it’s shown but it is greyed out, I cannot open it with synaptic. So how do I install such a package?
– Cyberfox: Same difficulty as slimjet
– Vivaldi: Same difficulty as slimjetPlease help.
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- This reply was modified 5 years, 5 months ago by tlaloc77.
My inxi -zv7, inxi -Fxs and inxi -r are here: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/a-proper-hellp/#post-2981
rokytnji
Open/extract the downloaded .debs and see what is in it. That is what I would try. If I saw systemd in text files any where. I’d delete them. . Go to the MX forum and look at their packages instead.
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewforum.php?f=121
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FWIW, Waterfox is compiled using clang (not gcc) which I’ve never wrangled.
One of the more active Waterfox github contributors, named hawkeye, maintains an installer wrapper
“Unofficial apt repository with deb packages for Waterfox Web Browser for Ubuntu and its derivatives”
but I’ve found zero indication that anyone is building it for debian (using gcc or otherwise).Both waterfox and the recent (non-ESR) firefox build-depend on “Rust”, which debian has refused to package because it (like nodejs) has a rapidly-evolving codebase.
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