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  • #2703
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    caprea

      This message is also shown in about:performance in firefox 52.0.2

      If you want to use webrender you can enable it by setting gfx.webrender to true in about_config.

      I didn’t try until now.

      #2707
      Member
      greyowl

        Really should test on your own system, surfing the same sites and performing the same activities, to draw your own conclusion.
        You can visit reddit.com/r/firefox/new and read wildly divergent reports stating “how much gooder” (or not) it is.

        FWIW, I recommend sticking with firefox ESR (currently v52.5.0).

        How would one go about trying out the new v. 57? How to upgrade the current version in antiX with the new version 57?

        Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)

        #2708
        Member
        greyowl

          Thanks caprea!–I will try this.

          • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by greyowl.

          Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)

          #2711
          Moderator
          caprea

            It’s not possible in firefox-esr, only in firefox.
            I have both installed.

            #2718
            Anonymous

              link: Nov 17 reddit topic which has garnered 429 replies within 12hrs
              Firefox 57 Quantum has landed! How is it working for you?

              netmarketshare.com
              has pegged ff usage (desktop, not mobile) at 13.14% for Oct 2017.
              This stat closely matches that of statcounter ~~ 13.04%
              w3counter stats show a slightly lower figure ~~ 9.1%
              clicky (aka getclicky) provides more granular, day-by-day, charting… shows 9–12% as of Nov 5.
              clicky also provides breakout, per version, reporting.

              That latter chart may be the “most interesting” to watch across the coming weeks.
              We can expect to see v57 trend upward within these next 2 weeks as Mozilla pushes out auto-upgrades…
              …then (I predict) a pullback as a portion of firefox users turn-their-nose-up-at, and reject, the drastically changed browser
              (leaving users with most of their previously-installed addons busted/disabled).

              Due to the mid-month timing of the release, and allowing for deer-in-headlights confusion among users, I will probably discount disregard the stat reported by marketshare.com for November. The telling (IMO) will be found in the Dec2017 netmarketshare.com stat; I expect we will find that firefox has shed 18–25% of its current users by then.

              13.04%
              x
              0.75
              ======
              9.78% {————- my anticipated Dec2017 netmarketshare.com stat

              If the new (WebExtensions) firefox ecosystem blossoms, ff share may rebound above 10–12% around June2018 (when security updates support for ff52-ESR is slated to end).

              #2723
              Member
              fatmac

                I gave 57 a quick look, it downloaded & started up OK, but when it went to websites, there was nothing on my screen, only the header saying that I was indeed on the site – now deleted, & won’t get another look until it is judged usable by a big majority of Linux users. :lol:

                Linux (& BSD) since 1999
                Ultra Small Form Factor & thin client computers

                #2736
                Member
                greyowl

                  I did some tests comparing FF 57 with the current version of Palemoon (27.6.1) on a Dell Latitude D610 with 2GB RAM, 32 bit.

                  With 9 tabs open, FF uses 655 mb of ram and PM uses 474 mb of RAM
                  PM was faster at opening websites.
                  Enabling webrender in FF did not make any difference in its speed of opening websites.

                  Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)

                  #2745
                  Anonymous

                    The masses railed (rallied?) for years, demanding “multiprocess” (because “Chrome is, and it’s faster”).
                    Yeah, it’s time to pay the piper.
                    64bit, multi-process, with gobs of inbuilt “services” configured as enabled by default… what could go wrong?

                    greyowl, if you still have it installed:
                    although I don’t recall the exact preference key name, you can tune (tone down, limit) ff memory consumption by adjusting the max number of concurrent “process threads”.

                    #2805
                    Member
                    greyowl

                      In task manager, FF shows the basic entry plus additional entries depending on how many tabs you have opened and the nature of the activity. I haven’t been able to figure out how to limit the entries (memory) or see what effect this would have on performance.

                      Dell Latitude D620 laptop with antiX 22 (64 bit)

                      #2807
                      Forum Admin
                      anticapitalista

                        I found that firefox 57 uses more memory than the default (upgraded) firefox-esr on antiX stretch. IIRC it was something like 350 MB for firefox plus another 350 MB for processes dependent on firefox.

                        Firefox-esr is still a memory hog though. According to ps_mem.py

                        410.7 MiB + 6.4 MiB = 417.0 MiB firefox-esr

                        This is my ps_mem.py at idle

                        
                         Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program
                         84.0 KiB +  50.0 KiB = 134.0 KiB	sleep
                        144.0 KiB +  34.0 KiB = 178.0 KiB	startpar
                        168.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 201.5 KiB	ifup
                        208.0 KiB +  38.5 KiB = 246.5 KiB	sh
                        224.0 KiB +  37.5 KiB = 261.5 KiB	gpm
                        296.0 KiB +  35.0 KiB = 331.0 KiB	acpid
                        284.0 KiB +  72.5 KiB = 356.5 KiB	init
                        332.0 KiB +  91.0 KiB = 423.0 KiB	irqbalance
                        320.0 KiB + 166.5 KiB = 486.5 KiB	process-reaper
                        340.0 KiB + 356.5 KiB = 696.5 KiB	herbstclient
                        632.0 KiB + 154.0 KiB = 786.0 KiB	dbus-daemon
                        368.0 KiB + 668.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB	avahi-daemon (2)
                        868.0 KiB + 220.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	desktop-session
                        916.0 KiB + 275.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB	sudo
                          1.2 MiB + 152.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	awk
                          1.3 MiB + 151.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	sshd
                        908.0 KiB + 591.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	getty (6)
                          1.2 MiB + 326.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gnome-keyring-daemon
                          1.0 MiB + 754.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	herbstluftwm
                        916.0 KiB +   1.0 MiB =   1.9 MiB	dzen2
                          2.3 MiB + 250.0 KiB =   2.6 MiB	dhclient
                          2.5 MiB + 265.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	wpa_supplicant
                          1.8 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   2.9 MiB	console-kit-daemon
                          2.9 MiB + 965.0 KiB =   3.8 MiB	polkitd
                          3.8 MiB +  82.5 KiB =   3.9 MiB	rsyslogd
                          2.8 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   4.0 MiB	bash (6)
                          3.5 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   4.8 MiB	slim
                          6.9 MiB +   2.7 MiB =   9.5 MiB	urxvt (2)
                          7.6 MiB +   3.3 MiB =  10.9 MiB	udevd (17)
                         17.8 MiB + 957.5 KiB =  18.7 MiB	Xorg
                        ---------------------------------
                                                 80.7 MiB
                        =================================

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                        #2810
                        Anonymous

                          Fresh ff52.5.0 64bit, no language packs, prefs not yet tweaked:

                          351.7 MiB + 13.8 MiB = 365.6 MiB firefox-esr
                          ^—- 4 tabs open

                          440.6 MiB + 14.1 MiB = 454.7 MiB firefox-esr
                          ^—- added a 5th tab, youtube video currently playing

                          #2907
                          Anonymous

                            a related reference (the linked page displays an interactive graph):

                            Nov2017 Mozilla Firefox Metrics: Linux users comprise just 2.5% of the firefox userbase (only Ubuntu and official tar build from firefox website tracked)

                            Set aside the “accuracy” of that stat. It’s more enlightening (sez me) to correlate bumps and changes in the trend with events. Did the introduction of forced pulseaudio significantly affect the trend? Howabout the introduction of EME (DRM, enablement of NetFlix playback) ?

                            #3025
                            Member
                            tlaloc77

                              quite a field of alternatives to choose from, eh

                              four by nine

                              Installed:
                              – Chromium
                              – Dillo
                              – Firefox ESR
                              – Konqueror
                              – Links 2
                              – Midori (a bit quirky but works on a quick test)
                              – Netsurf (doesn’t run, error: “Unable to initialise the font system”)
                              – (new) Opera (stable, beta, developer)
                              – Palemoon (my favorite up to now)
                              – Qupzilla (hmm, invisible buttons… but works otherwise in a qick test)
                              – surf (not mentioned on the image, very simple, seems buggy)

                              I would like to install some more.

                              – (old) Opera 12.16.1860 (same as opera-next): As soon as I select it for installation, synaptic shows the following in a window:

                              opera:
                               Hängt ab von: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>=0.10.16) but it is not installable
                               Hängt ab von: libgstreamer0.10-0 (>=0.10.15) but it is not installable
                               Hängt ab von: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good  but it is not installable
                               Hängt ab von: fonts-liberation, aber es wird nicht installiert oder
                               	ttf-liberation, aber es wird nicht installiert oder
                               	ttf-mscorefonts-installer, aber es wird nicht installiert

                              libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 is installed, so I’d need older libs – how can I get them and how can I avoid them getting removed by some update? They won’t get overwritten because the files have version numbers in their names but I suspect that trying to install a newer version in parallel would get the older version removed. The new, chrome-based Opera, several versions: 49.0, 50.0 and 51.0 as of now. The package names are different, all can be installed at the same time, cool. Alas, the executable in opera-stable is named opera, so it would conflict with the old Opera.

                              – Otter: There seems to be no .deb available, so it could only be installed outside of the package manager realm. Later.
                              – Waterfox: No .deb available, thus same difficulty as with Otter. Later.

                              – slimjet: Found under Browsers in the package installer, alas, all I managed to do was downloading a package, it is not getting installed. Synaptic has something like “Add downloaded package” which opens a filesystem window and I can navigate to where the slimjet_amd64.deb is, it’s shown but it is greyed out, I cannot open it with synaptic. So how do I install such a package?
                              – Cyberfox: Same difficulty as slimjet
                              – Vivaldi: Same difficulty as slimjet

                              Please help.

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                              #3036
                              Forum Admin
                              rokytnji

                                Open/extract the downloaded .debs and see what is in it. That is what I would try. If I saw systemd in text files any where. I’d delete them. . Go to the MX forum and look at their packages instead.

                                http://forum.mxlinux.org/viewforum.php?f=121

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                                #3302
                                Anonymous

                                  who sez

                                  FWIW, Waterfox is compiled using clang (not gcc) which I’ve never wrangled.
                                  One of the more active Waterfox github contributors, named hawkeye, maintains an installer wrapper
                                  Unofficial apt repository with deb packages for Waterfox Web Browser for Ubuntu and its derivatives
                                  but I’ve found zero indication that anyone is building it for debian (using gcc or otherwise).

                                  Both waterfox and the recent (non-ESR) firefox build-depend on “Rust”, which debian has refused to package because it (like nodejs) has a rapidly-evolving codebase.

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