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  • #2703
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    caprea
    caprea

    This message is also shown in about:performance in firefox 52.0.2

    If you want to use webrender you can enable it by setting gfx.webrender to true in about_config.

    I didn’t try until now.

    #2707
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    greyowl

    Really should test on your own system, surfing the same sites and performing the same activities, to draw your own conclusion.
    You can visit reddit.com/r/firefox/new and read wildly divergent reports stating “how much gooder” (or not) it is.

    FWIW, I recommend sticking with firefox ESR (currently v52.5.0).

    How would one go about trying out the new v. 57? How to upgrade the current version in antiX with the new version 57?

    Dell Latitude D610 laptop (1.86 GHz, 2G RAM, 32 bit) - antiX 17

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    greyowl

    Thanks caprea!–I will try this.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago by greyowl.

    Dell Latitude D610 laptop (1.86 GHz, 2G RAM, 32 bit) - antiX 17

    #2711
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    caprea
    caprea

    It’s not possible in firefox-esr, only in firefox.
    I have both installed.

    #2718
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    skidoo

    link: Nov 17 reddit topic which has garnered 429 replies within 12hrs
    Firefox 57 Quantum has landed! How is it working for you?

    netmarketshare.com
    has pegged ff usage (desktop, not mobile) at 13.14% for Oct 2017.
    This stat closely matches that of statcounter ~~ 13.04%
    w3counter stats show a slightly lower figure ~~ 9.1%
    clicky (aka getclicky) provides more granular, day-by-day, charting… shows 9–12% as of Nov 5.
    clicky also provides breakout, per version, reporting.

    That latter chart may be the “most interesting” to watch across the coming weeks.
    We can expect to see v57 trend upward within these next 2 weeks as Mozilla pushes out auto-upgrades…
    …then (I predict) a pullback as a portion of firefox users turn-their-nose-up-at, and reject, the drastically changed browser
    (leaving users with most of their previously-installed addons busted/disabled).

    Due to the mid-month timing of the release, and allowing for deer-in-headlights confusion among users, I will probably discount disregard the stat reported by marketshare.com for November. The telling (IMO) will be found in the Dec2017 netmarketshare.com stat; I expect we will find that firefox has shed 18–25% of its current users by then.

    13.04%
    x
    0.75
    ======
    9.78% {————- my anticipated Dec2017 netmarketshare.com stat

    If the new (WebExtensions) firefox ecosystem blossoms, ff share may rebound above 10–12% around June2018 (when security updates support for ff52-ESR is slated to end).

    #2723
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    fatmac
    fatmac

    I gave 57 a quick look, it downloaded & started up OK, but when it went to websites, there was nothing on my screen, only the header saying that I was indeed on the site – now deleted, & won’t get another look until it is judged usable by a big majority of Linux users. 😆

    Linux (& BSD) since 1999

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    I did some tests comparing FF 57 with the current version of Palemoon (27.6.1) on a Dell Latitude D610 with 2GB RAM, 32 bit.

    With 9 tabs open, FF uses 655 mb of ram and PM uses 474 mb of RAM
    PM was faster at opening websites.
    Enabling webrender in FF did not make any difference in its speed of opening websites.

    Dell Latitude D610 laptop (1.86 GHz, 2G RAM, 32 bit) - antiX 17

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    skidoo

    The masses railed (rallied?) for years, demanding “multiprocess” (because “Chrome is, and it’s faster”).
    Yeah, it’s time to pay the piper.
    64bit, multi-process, with gobs of inbuilt “services” configured as enabled by default… what could go wrong?

    greyowl, if you still have it installed:
    although I don’t recall the exact preference key name, you can tune (tone down, limit) ff memory consumption by adjusting the max number of concurrent “process threads”.

    #2805
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    greyowl

    In task manager, FF shows the basic entry plus additional entries depending on how many tabs you have opened and the nature of the activity. I haven’t been able to figure out how to limit the entries (memory) or see what effect this would have on performance.

    Dell Latitude D610 laptop (1.86 GHz, 2G RAM, 32 bit) - antiX 17

    #2807
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    anticapitalista
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    I found that firefox 57 uses more memory than the default (upgraded) firefox-esr on antiX stretch. IIRC it was something like 350 MB for firefox plus another 350 MB for processes dependent on firefox.

    Firefox-esr is still a memory hog though. According to ps_mem.py

    410.7 MiB + 6.4 MiB = 417.0 MiB firefox-esr

    This is my ps_mem.py at idle

    
     Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program
    
     84.0 KiB +  50.0 KiB = 134.0 KiB	sleep
    144.0 KiB +  34.0 KiB = 178.0 KiB	startpar
    168.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 201.5 KiB	ifup
    208.0 KiB +  38.5 KiB = 246.5 KiB	sh
    224.0 KiB +  37.5 KiB = 261.5 KiB	gpm
    296.0 KiB +  35.0 KiB = 331.0 KiB	acpid
    284.0 KiB +  72.5 KiB = 356.5 KiB	init
    332.0 KiB +  91.0 KiB = 423.0 KiB	irqbalance
    320.0 KiB + 166.5 KiB = 486.5 KiB	process-reaper
    340.0 KiB + 356.5 KiB = 696.5 KiB	herbstclient
    632.0 KiB + 154.0 KiB = 786.0 KiB	dbus-daemon
    368.0 KiB + 668.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB	avahi-daemon (2)
    868.0 KiB + 220.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	desktop-session
    916.0 KiB + 275.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB	sudo
      1.2 MiB + 152.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	awk
      1.3 MiB + 151.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	sshd
    908.0 KiB + 591.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	getty (6)
      1.2 MiB + 326.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gnome-keyring-daemon
      1.0 MiB + 754.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	herbstluftwm
    916.0 KiB +   1.0 MiB =   1.9 MiB	dzen2
      2.3 MiB + 250.0 KiB =   2.6 MiB	dhclient
      2.5 MiB + 265.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	wpa_supplicant
      1.8 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   2.9 MiB	console-kit-daemon
      2.9 MiB + 965.0 KiB =   3.8 MiB	polkitd
      3.8 MiB +  82.5 KiB =   3.9 MiB	rsyslogd
      2.8 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   4.0 MiB	bash (6)
      3.5 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   4.8 MiB	slim
      6.9 MiB +   2.7 MiB =   9.5 MiB	urxvt (2)
      7.6 MiB +   3.3 MiB =  10.9 MiB	udevd (17)
     17.8 MiB + 957.5 KiB =  18.7 MiB	Xorg
    ---------------------------------
                             80.7 MiB
    =================================

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    skidoo

    Fresh ff52.5.0 64bit, no language packs, prefs not yet tweaked:

    351.7 MiB + 13.8 MiB = 365.6 MiB firefox-esr
    ^—- 4 tabs open

    440.6 MiB + 14.1 MiB = 454.7 MiB firefox-esr
    ^—- added a 5th tab, youtube video currently playing

    #2907
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    skidoo

    a related reference (the linked page displays an interactive graph):

    Nov2017 Mozilla Firefox Metrics: Linux users comprise just 2.5% of the firefox userbase (only Ubuntu and official tar build from firefox website tracked)

    Set aside the “accuracy” of that stat. It’s more enlightening (sez me) to correlate bumps and changes in the trend with events. Did the introduction of forced pulseaudio significantly affect the trend? Howabout the introduction of EME (DRM, enablement of NetFlix playback) ?

    #3025
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    tlaloc77
    tlaloc77

    quite a field of alternatives to choose from, eh

    four by nine

    Installed:
    – Chromium
    – Dillo
    – Firefox ESR
    – Konqueror
    – Links 2
    – Midori (a bit quirky but works on a quick test)
    – Netsurf (doesn’t run, error: “Unable to initialise the font system”)
    – (new) Opera (stable, beta, developer)
    – Palemoon (my favorite up to now)
    – Qupzilla (hmm, invisible buttons… but works otherwise in a qick test)
    – surf (not mentioned on the image, very simple, seems buggy)

    I would like to install some more.

    – (old) Opera 12.16.1860 (same as opera-next): As soon as I select it for installation, synaptic shows the following in a window:

    opera:
     Hängt ab von: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>=0.10.16) but it is not installable
     Hängt ab von: libgstreamer0.10-0 (>=0.10.15) but it is not installable
     Hängt ab von: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good  but it is not installable
     Hängt ab von: fonts-liberation, aber es wird nicht installiert oder
     	ttf-liberation, aber es wird nicht installiert oder
     	ttf-mscorefonts-installer, aber es wird nicht installiert

    libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 is installed, so I’d need older libs – how can I get them and how can I avoid them getting removed by some update? They won’t get overwritten because the files have version numbers in their names but I suspect that trying to install a newer version in parallel would get the older version removed. The new, chrome-based Opera, several versions: 49.0, 50.0 and 51.0 as of now. The package names are different, all can be installed at the same time, cool. Alas, the executable in opera-stable is named opera, so it would conflict with the old Opera.

    – Otter: There seems to be no .deb available, so it could only be installed outside of the package manager realm. Later.
    – Waterfox: No .deb available, thus same difficulty as with Otter. Later.

    – slimjet: Found under Browsers in the package installer, alas, all I managed to do was downloading a package, it is not getting installed. Synaptic has something like “Add downloaded package” which opens a filesystem window and I can navigate to where the slimjet_amd64.deb is, it’s shown but it is greyed out, I cannot open it with synaptic. So how do I install such a package?
    – Cyberfox: Same difficulty as slimjet
    – Vivaldi: Same difficulty as slimjet

    Please help.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by tlaloc77.
    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by tlaloc77.

    My inxi -zv7, inxi -Fxs and inxi -r are here: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/a-proper-hellp/#post-2981

    #3036
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    rokytnji
    rokytnji

    Open/extract the downloaded .debs and see what is in it. That is what I would try. If I saw systemd in text files any where. I’d delete them. . Go to the MX forum and look at their packages instead.

    https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewforum.php?f=121

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    #3302
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    who sez

    FWIW, Waterfox is compiled using clang (not gcc) which I’ve never wrangled.
    One of the more active Waterfox github contributors, named hawkeye, maintains an installer wrapper
    Unofficial apt repository with deb packages for Waterfox Web Browser for Ubuntu and its derivatives
    but I’ve found zero indication that anyone is building it for debian (using gcc or otherwise).

    Both waterfox and the recent (non-ESR) firefox build-depend on “Rust”, which debian has refused to package because it (like nodejs) has a rapidly-evolving codebase.

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