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January 2, 2023 at 2:36 pm #96607

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Today I am thankful for the countless people who have put together the overall freely available software communities.

Stallman certainly has done a lot with the GNU effort, as have the many people who have written software using any of the GNU licenses, but as we also know, there has been more than one interpretation of freedom in software. Some is 100% free in source code, other approaches are simply open, still others are a blend of free and proprietary work and yet other work is 100% commercial and proprietary. All of them provide certain capabilities and services.

I generally use Linux software but I am not opposed to the existence of the free and commercial alternatives. I’m sure that something commercial in some way has provided a livelihood for many of us, maybe most of us. What’s nice is when we can somehow share with one another in one way or another. Even opposite approaches can sometimes complement each other. When you make both available there’s room for many different things we can accomplish.

Believe me, freely available software has always been in my arsenal and preferences but I have worked for large business in automotive, education, financial services, electronics and computer systems as well as small, local business. All of them together form products and services used in community all over the world.

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January 2, 2023 at 4:31 pm #96611

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inxi -v2
System:
  Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.1.2-x64v3-xanmod1 arch: x86_64
    bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum
    30 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%)
CPU:
  Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz):
    avg: 2041 min/max: 1400/4056
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0
    6.1.2-x64v3-xanmod1 LLVM 11.0.1)
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 29.21 GiB (12.2%)
Info:
  Processes: 265 Uptime: 42m Memory: 7.11 GiB used: 1.57 GiB (22.0%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.24

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January 2, 2023 at 7:11 pm #96620

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On my Dell laptop

harry@biker:~
$ inxi -b
System:
  Host: biker Kernel: 5.10.153-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21_x64-full Grup Yorum 31 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E4310 v: 0001
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0T6M8G v: A01 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Dell
    v: A03 date: 07/08/2010
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 33.7 Wh (100.0%) condition: 33.7/48.8 Wh (68.9%)
CPU:
  Info: dual core Intel Core i5 M 520 [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1794
    min/max: 1199/2400
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel dri: i965
    gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (ILK)
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 55.9 GiB used: 35.79 GiB (64.0%)
Info:
  Processes: 172 Uptime: 58m Memory: 7.69 GiB used: 1.3 GiB (17.0%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.23

While kinda at a loss with hazels problems with antiX 21
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/antix-mx-linux-127/very-slow-startup-of-x-antix-21-a-4175719365/

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January 2, 2023 at 9:54 pm #96624

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Experimenting with FT10, tint2 toolbar settings and various window managers. Here with the JWM setup and FT10.

inxi -b
System:
  Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.1.2-x64v3-xanmod1 arch: x86_64
    bits: 64 Desktop: JWM v: 2.4.4 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum
    30 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%)
CPU:
  Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz):
    avg: 1997 min/max: 1400/4056
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0
    6.1.2-x64v3-xanmod1 LLVM 11.0.1)
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 29.2 GiB (12.2%)
Info:
  Processes: 261 Uptime: 26m Memory: 7.11 GiB used: 1.24 GiB (17.4%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.24

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January 3, 2023 at 4:11 pm #96691

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Using 347 Mi with IceWM and roxterm after boot. Total mem = 7.1 Gi.

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January 3, 2023 at 6:19 pm #96702

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My very old desktop; much lower amount of memory; orders of magnitude slower in every measurable metric:

free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           3.6Gi       217Mi       2.6Gi       2.0Mi       757Mi       3.2Gi
Swap:          5.5Gi          0B       5.5Gi

inxi -b
System:
  Host: antix21 Kernel: 5.19.0-17.2-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-base Grup Yorum 30
    October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: s5747c v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: PEGATRON model: 2A6C v: 5.00 serial: <superuser required>
    BIOS: American Megatrends v: 6.01 date: 09/29/2010
CPU:
  Info: dual core AMD Athlon II X2 255 [MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 3100
    min/max: 800/3100
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] driver: N/A
  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: nouveau,vesa
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting gpu: N/A resolution: 1024x768
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 128 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5
Network:
  Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet type: network bridge driver: forcedeth
  Device-2: Ralink RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 698.64 GiB used: 11.03 GiB (1.6%)
Info:
  Processes: 146 Uptime: 14m Memory: 3.59 GiB used: 1.05 GiB (29.4%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.21

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January 3, 2023 at 7:39 pm #96708

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I finally managed to update this old relic; believe it or not this one works fine with a V6.1 Liquorix kernel; I have been retaining OLD kernels here JUST IN CASE something regresses:

pinxi -b
System:
  Host: antix21 Kernel: 6.1.0-2.1-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-base Grup Yorum 30
    October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: s5747c v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: PEGATRON model: 2A6C v: 5.00 serial: <superuser required>
    BIOS: American Megatrends v: 6.01 date: 09/29/2010
CPU:
  Info: dual core AMD Athlon II X2 255 [MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 3100
    min/max: 800/3100
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] driver: N/A
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: nouveau,vesa
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting dri: swrast gpu: N/A resolution: 1024x768
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 128 bits)
Network:
  Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet type: network bridge driver: forcedeth
  Device-2: Ralink RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 698.64 GiB used: 10.45 GiB (1.5%)
Info:
  Processes: 136 Uptime: 7m Memory: 3.59 GiB used: 439 MiB (11.9%) Shell: Bash
  pinxi: 3.3.24-4

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January 3, 2023 at 8:53 pm #96709

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Here’s another system, slightly newer than the other system, but this one can be erratic too; probably getting close to end of life; perhaps a good internal cleaning may give it a longer lifetime:

inxi -b
System:
  Host: antix21 Kernel: 4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-base Grup Yorum 30
    October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 3249CTO v: ThinkPad X201
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 3249CTO serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO
    v: 6QET66WW (1.36 ) date: 05/31/2011
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 78.9 Wh (99.5%) condition: 79.3/84.2 Wh (94.2%)
CPU:
  Info: dual core Intel Core i7 M 620 [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1265
    min/max: 1199/2667
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
  Device-2: Lenovo Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel dri: i965
    gpu: i915 resolution: 1280x800~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (ILK)
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 driver: iwlwifi
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 21.3 GiB (17.9%)
Info:
  Processes: 189 Uptime: 20m Memory: 7.6 GiB used: 947.5 MiB (12.2%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.24

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January 3, 2023 at 9:09 pm #96712

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free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.6Gi       153Mi       4.9Gi        30Mi       2.5Gi       7.1Gi
Swap:          6.0Gi          0B       6.0Gi

Another oldie but a goodie, using Palemoon to post this time, have been running Seamonkey here too:

inxi -v2
System:
  Host: antix21 Kernel: 4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-base Grup Yorum 30
    October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 3249CTO v: ThinkPad X201
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 3249CTO serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO
    v: 6QET66WW (1.36 ) date: 05/31/2011
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 78.9 Wh (99.5%) condition: 79.3/84.2 Wh (94.2%)
CPU:
  Info: dual core Intel Core i7 M 620 [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1332
    min/max: 1199/2667
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
  Device-2: Lenovo Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel dri: i965
    gpu: i915 resolution: 1280x800~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (ILK)
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 driver: iwlwifi
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 21.29 GiB (17.9%)
Info:
  Processes: 189 Uptime: 38m Memory: 7.6 GiB used: 977.5 MiB (12.6%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.24

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January 3, 2023 at 9:19 pm #96713

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Compare the previous value to a full featured distro running on much newer hardware:

EndeavourOS:

[eos-hp-14fq1025]/home/masinick: > free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.1Gi       818Mi       5.8Gi        11Mi       532Mi       6.1Gi
Swap:             0B          0B          0B
[eos-hp-14fq1025]/home/masinick: >

It’s a nice distribution, but it isn’t lean, it’s cutting edge with a choice of desktop environments, but it is possible to run somewhat leaner with a window manager here too.

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January 3, 2023 at 9:38 pm #96714

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EndeavourOS with IceWM instead of Xfce saves quite a few resources:

free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.1Gi       443Mi       5.8Gi        10Mi       871Mi       6.4Gi
Swap:             0B          0B          0B

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January 3, 2023 at 9:41 pm #96715

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antiX on the same new hardware:

free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.1Gi       346Mi       6.5Gi       1.0Mi       237Mi       6.5Gi
Swap:          7.8Gi          0B       7.8Gi

inxi -M
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021

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January 4, 2023 at 2:36 pm #96757

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Initial resource usage this morning:

               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.1Gi       339Mi       6.2Gi       1.0Mi       556Mi       6.5Gi
Swap:          7.8Gi          0B       7.8Gi

System:
  Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.1.2-x64v3-xanmod1 arch: x86_64
    bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum
    30 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%)
CPU:
  Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz):
    avg: 2001 min/max: 1400/4056
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0
    6.1.2-x64v3-xanmod1 LLVM 11.0.1)
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 26.47 GiB (11.1%)
Info:
  Processes: 284 Uptime: 4m Memory: 7.11 GiB used: 610.9 MiB (8.4%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.24

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January 4, 2023 at 2:57 pm #96760

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Going back to the statistics I have shown over the past couple of days, a few unscientific instances of resource use data indicate that antiX definitely uses fewer resources than other full-featured distributions, even when a simple window manager is installed and used on those systems. Past work I’ve done in this area does demonstrate that if you stop and/or disable the majority of daemon and other processes that typically run on full-featured distributions, you can further reduce resource use, but it’s much easier and still more effective to simply run antiX!

Also, the recent statistics clearly show that running antiX on older hardware results in using a couple hundred MB less memory just after system start up.

I’ve wondered why I’m using over 300 MB on new hardware; it sure looks like the newer hardware requires significant additional resources, which it fortunately has available.

Stats from 10-15 years ago are even lower; I’ve seen reports from users with older systems than mine and their stats are closer to the stats I used to find when I had systems from the late nineties and early 2000s. These observations do seem reasonable; the more modules needed the more resources are consumed.

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January 4, 2023 at 3:42 pm #96766

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Shoot Brian. Cut my teeth on low spec hardware and this distro. Just got done feeding dogs outside. Also feral kittens in old storage shed. Hoping the kittens phernomes keep the rodents away here in the desert. Even have prairie dogs and ground squireels out here to go the kangaroo rats and feild mice. Still trying to figure out hazels problems at linux questions org also. After learning this distro. I don’t even consider something else except MX Fluxbox because I mod there also.

So I am on the intel NUC today.

harry@scooter:~
$ inxi -v2
System:
  Host: scooter Kernel: 5.10.153-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.0 Distro: antiX-22_x64-full Grup Yorum 18 October 2022
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: Intel model: NUC5i3RYB v: H41000-505
    serial: <superuser required> UEFI-[Legacy]: Intel
    v: RYBDWi35.86A.0361.2016.1202.1005 date: 12/02/2016
CPU:
  Info: dual core Intel Core i3-5010U [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1995
    min/max: 500/2000
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel
  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 resolution: 1360x768~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 5500 (BDW
    GT2)
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Ethernet I218-V driver: e1000e
  Device-2: Intel Wireless 7265 driver: iwlwifi
  Device-3: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface type: USB driver: btusb
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 961.33 GiB used: 289.52 GiB (30.1%)
Info:
  Processes: 165 Uptime: 1h 32m Memory: 3.72 GiB used: 1.45 GiB (39.0%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.23
harry@scooter:~

Kinda thinking of running Liqourix kernel on the chromebook and this box to see if it straightens out internal bluetooth chip.
Poke and Hope. As usual.

Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
Not all who Wander are Lost.
I'm not outa place. I'm from outer space.

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