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February 23, 2023 at 3:55 pm #100450

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Changed to the Liquorix kernel to make sure it’s working. Also found an updated instance of Slimjet browser and trying it out too.

pinxi -b
System:
  Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.1.13-1-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64
    bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum
    30 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%)
CPU:
  Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz):
    avg: 2055 min/max: 1400/4056
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0
    6.1.13-1-liquorix-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1)
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 29.83 GiB (12.5%)
Info:
  Processes: 258 Uptime: 7m Memory: 7.1 GiB used: 1.41 GiB (19.9%) Shell: Bash
  pinxi: 3.3.25-3

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February 23, 2023 at 8:48 pm #100482

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Brian Masinick

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One more time, back with the third kernel I’ve been using to test various Version 6.1 kernels on my HP-14 hardware.

Here are two of the information tools and their outputs.

sudo ps_mem.py 
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

 76.0 KiB +  13.5 KiB =  89.5 KiB	pause
 92.0 KiB +  14.5 KiB = 106.5 KiB	runit
104.0 KiB +  19.5 KiB = 123.5 KiB	runsvdir
128.0 KiB +  19.5 KiB = 147.5 KiB	svlogd
200.0 KiB +  30.5 KiB = 230.5 KiB	gpm
208.0 KiB +  30.5 KiB = 238.5 KiB	atd
288.0 KiB +  28.5 KiB = 316.5 KiB	acpid
360.0 KiB + 239.5 KiB = 599.5 KiB	icewm-session
388.0 KiB + 237.5 KiB = 625.5 KiB	udevil
452.0 KiB + 220.5 KiB = 672.5 KiB	rpcbind
528.0 KiB + 321.0 KiB = 849.0 KiB	getty (4)
756.0 KiB + 231.0 KiB = 987.0 KiB	dbus-launch (2)
620.0 KiB + 417.5 KiB =   1.0 MiB	devmon
760.0 KiB + 416.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	gconfd-2
788.0 KiB + 477.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB	saned
836.0 KiB + 474.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	desktop-session
  1.0 MiB + 786.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
  1.7 MiB +  90.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	elogind
  1.6 MiB + 272.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	udevd
  1.4 MiB + 504.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	sudo
  1.2 MiB + 795.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  1.3 MiB + 671.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB	dbus-daemon (4)
  1.5 MiB + 492.5 KiB =   2.0 MiB	ntpd
  1.5 MiB + 472.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB	runsv (24)
  2.1 MiB +  98.5 KiB =   2.2 MiB	rsyslogd
  1.9 MiB + 474.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB	bluetoothd
  1.9 MiB + 516.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB	bash
  3.2 MiB +  30.5 KiB =   3.2 MiB	haveged
  2.6 MiB + 751.5 KiB =   3.3 MiB	dhclient
  3.4 MiB + 300.5 KiB =   3.7 MiB	connmand
  3.7 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   4.9 MiB	conky
  4.4 MiB + 802.5 KiB =   5.2 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  4.6 MiB +   1.3 MiB =   5.9 MiB	slimski
  4.3 MiB +   4.3 MiB =   8.6 MiB	volumeicon
  6.2 MiB +   2.7 MiB =   8.9 MiB	icewm
 10.8 MiB +   5.7 MiB =  16.5 MiB	roxterm
 81.1 MiB +   1.3 MiB =  82.4 MiB	Xorg
---------------------------------
                        174.4 MiB
=================================
[brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr]/home/masinick/bin: > pinxi -b
System:
  Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.1.13-x64v3-xanmod1 arch: x86_64
    bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum
    30 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%)
CPU:
  Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz):
    avg: 1991 min/max: 1400/4056
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0
    6.1.13-x64v3-xanmod1 LLVM 11.0.1)
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 29.84 GiB (12.5%)
Info:
  Processes: 250 Uptime: 5m Memory: 7.1 GiB used: 590.9 MiB (8.1%) Shell: Bash
  pinxi: 3.3.25-3

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February 23, 2023 at 10:41 pm #100498

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sudo ps_mem.py 
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

 76.0 KiB +  10.5 KiB =  86.5 KiB	pause
 92.0 KiB +  12.5 KiB = 104.5 KiB	runit
104.0 KiB +  15.5 KiB = 119.5 KiB	runsvdir
128.0 KiB +  16.5 KiB = 144.5 KiB	svlogd
200.0 KiB +  24.5 KiB = 224.5 KiB	gpm
208.0 KiB +  25.5 KiB = 233.5 KiB	atd
288.0 KiB +  22.5 KiB = 310.5 KiB	acpid
268.0 KiB +  56.5 KiB = 324.5 KiB	rtkit-daemon
360.0 KiB + 101.5 KiB = 461.5 KiB	icewm-session
388.0 KiB + 150.5 KiB = 538.5 KiB	udevil
452.0 KiB + 207.5 KiB = 659.5 KiB	rpcbind
532.0 KiB + 287.0 KiB = 819.0 KiB	getty (4)
756.0 KiB + 171.0 KiB = 927.0 KiB	dbus-launch (2)
748.0 KiB + 182.5 KiB = 930.5 KiB	gconfd-2
620.0 KiB + 390.5 KiB =   1.0 MiB	devmon
788.0 KiB + 231.5 KiB =   1.0 MiB	saned
752.0 KiB + 378.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	dconf-service
836.0 KiB + 447.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	desktop-session
904.0 KiB + 429.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
844.0 KiB + 585.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  1.7 MiB +  72.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	elogind
  1.4 MiB + 426.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	sudo
  1.6 MiB + 244.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	udevd
  1.5 MiB + 418.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	ntpd
  1.5 MiB + 395.0 KiB =   1.9 MiB	runsv (24)
  1.5 MiB + 548.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB	dbus-daemon (4)
  1.9 MiB + 251.5 KiB =   2.1 MiB	bluetoothd
  2.2 MiB +  62.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB	rsyslogd
  1.9 MiB + 493.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB	bash
  3.2 MiB +  24.5 KiB =   3.2 MiB	haveged
  2.6 MiB + 741.5 KiB =   3.3 MiB	dhclient
  3.6 MiB + 210.5 KiB =   3.8 MiB	connmand
  3.6 MiB + 788.5 KiB =   4.4 MiB	conky
  4.5 MiB + 810.5 KiB =   5.3 MiB	slimski
  4.6 MiB + 766.5 KiB =   5.4 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  4.0 MiB +   3.2 MiB =   7.2 MiB	volumeicon
  5.9 MiB +   1.3 MiB =   7.2 MiB	icewm
 10.6 MiB +   3.8 MiB =  14.4 MiB	roxterm
 41.2 MiB +  22.1 MiB =  63.3 MiB	Xorg
789.3 MiB + 128.5 MiB = 917.7 MiB	firefox-bin (12)
---------------------------------
                          1.0 GiB
=================================

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February 24, 2023 at 1:58 pm #100551

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olsztyn

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Firefox almost 1Gb memory footprint?
With careful configuration of Chrome or Chromium (such as ungoogled one) seems more memory frugal. Not scientific comparison, just practical experience:
On Thinkpad X220 (i5, 4Gb ram) antiX 23 fully configured:
demo@antix1:~
$ sudo ps_mem.py
[sudo] password for demo:
Private + Shared = RAM used Program

104.0 KiB + 14.5 KiB = 118.5 KiB pause
112.0 KiB + 15.5 KiB = 127.5 KiB runit
128.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 146.5 KiB runsvdir
144.0 KiB + 24.5 KiB = 168.5 KiB seatd
104.0 KiB + 83.5 KiB = 187.5 KiB dash
108.0 KiB + 85.5 KiB = 193.5 KiB openbox-autosta
212.0 KiB + 178.0 KiB = 390.0 KiB cat (2)
292.0 KiB + 104.5 KiB = 396.5 KiB cron
348.0 KiB + 127.5 KiB = 475.5 KiB dbus-launch
356.0 KiB + 218.5 KiB = 574.5 KiB udevil
460.0 KiB + 397.5 KiB = 857.5 KiB menu-cached
484.0 KiB + 449.0 KiB = 933.0 KiB avahi-daemon (2)
648.0 KiB + 424.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB devmon
744.0 KiB + 356.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB dbus-daemon (2)
816.0 KiB + 415.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB desktop-session
960.0 KiB + 512.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB getty (7)
944.0 KiB + 832.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB sudo (2)
1.5 MiB + 352.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB runsv (17)
880.0 KiB + 1.1 MiB = 1.9 MiB chrome_crashpad_handler (2)
1.7 MiB + 207.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB udevd
1.6 MiB + 444.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB bash
2.3 MiB + 102.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB nacl_helper
1.9 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.0 MiB connmand
2.7 MiB + 367.5 KiB = 3.0 MiB cupsd
2.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 3.9 MiB sshd
4.9 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 6.1 MiB wpa_supplicant
5.1 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 6.3 MiB slimski
6.5 MiB + 4.2 MiB = 10.8 MiB openbox
8.3 MiB + 6.5 MiB = 14.8 MiB x-terminal-emul
10.4 MiB + 5.7 MiB = 16.1 MiB lxpanel
36.8 MiB + 17.2 MiB = 54.0 MiB Xorg
251.3 MiB + 173.0 MiB = 424.3 MiB chrome (11)
———————————
563.4 MiB
=================================
demo@antix1:~
$

This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

February 24, 2023 at 2:49 pm #100561

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Regarding Browser Firefoy and high Ram.
ps_mem.py one tab open to a blank page shows

309.1 MiB + 81.7 MiB = 390.7 MiB firefox-esr (7)
355.8 MiB + 92.3 MiB = 448.2 MiB librewolf (7)
237.1 MiB + 152.3 MiB = 389.4 MiB chrome (10)

Very little difference between a “cleaned up” FF ESR and
UngoogledChromium. Both have U Block Origin and MetaGer
search installed. Probably LibreWolf somewhat higher RAM
usage could be quickly reduced by applying more changes
in about:config to mach ESR.

This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Xunzi_23.

February 24, 2023 at 3:11 pm #100566

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Three browsers I was using yesterday (without modifications or cleanup) were SeaMonkey, UngoogledChromium, and Slimjet.
All three of them were using between 500-700 MB virtual memory with 1-3 tabs open.
SeaMonkey no longer works on some sites; Facebook is one site that rejects SeaMonkey; for some people that’s an “advantage”.

I really don’t have to concern myself with memory or processor consumption; I use different browsers and other tools for experience and variety (and my “geek curiosity”).

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February 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm #100567

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inxi -bw
System:
  Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.1.11-antix.1-amd64-smp
    arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full
    Grup Yorum 30 October 2021
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI
    v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%)
CPU:
  Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz):
    avg: 1459 min/max: 1400/4056
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0
    6.1.11-antix.1-amd64-smp LLVM 11.0.1)
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 29.86 GiB (12.5%)
Weather:
  Report: temperature: 19.64 C (67 F) conditions: clear sky
  Locale: Greenville, SC, USA current time: Fri 24 Feb 2023 09:53:42 AM EST
    (America/New_York) Source: OpenWeatherMap.org
Info:
  Processes: 268 Uptime: 2m Memory: 7.11 GiB used: 627.6 MiB (8.6%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.25

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February 24, 2023 at 8:34 pm #100598

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I have not experimented with any BSD systems in a long time. The last one I can recall is that I grabbed an image of NomadBSD, which is a live implementation of a version of FreeBSD 13.0 and 13.1.

I grabbed FreeBSD-14.0-CURRENT-amd64-20230223-fe5c211ba873-261074-memstick.img with the hope of seeing
1) if it is recognized from USB at boot.
2) if this memstick can be run live or if it has to be installed.

It’ll be interesting and maybe fun.
One positive of the BSDs is that they tend to be stable.
That’s great for production servers and for desktop environments that do not require a lot of installations, just an occasional application update.

If I find anything of interest I’ll share it later.

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February 24, 2023 at 9:47 pm #100600

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Brian Masinick

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FreeBSD-14.0-CURRENT-amd64-20230223-fe5c211ba873-261074-memstick.img did not work out for my HP-14, neither did GhostBSD-22.06.18-XFCE.iso, but I’m going to try GhostBSD-22.06.18-XFCE.iso on my Dell and see if it does any better. The image did boot on the HP-14, but the X server did not start, it failed to initialize.

This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Brian Masinick.

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February 24, 2023 at 10:18 pm #100602

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I got GhostBSD to boot on the Dell; glad I thought of it!
Now I can at least experiment with it live; it’s a good looking, very stable system, typical of BSD.
I chose the XFCE edition; I don’t care for any of the GNOME varieties.

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February 24, 2023 at 10:26 pm #100603

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Brian Masinick

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Now I’m back on the Dell with package updates on antiX 23 Alpha 1.

Quite a few package changes from predominantly Bookworm repo since the last time I ran here.
I’m using SeaMonkey as my browser; this and Firefox ESR are the primary browsers here right now, unless I bring in my own.

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February 24, 2023 at 10:31 pm #100604

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Oh, good! I DID bring my own directories over here, so I’m back with Firefox Nightly on antiX 23 Alpha 1.

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February 25, 2023 at 7:13 pm #100642

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I’m on my Dell Inspiron 5558 today, updating each of the distributions there.
At the moment I’m using our “brother” distribution, MX Linux and as usual, it’s running well.

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February 25, 2023 at 7:44 pm #100643

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I also find that chrome uses less memory than firefox. Chrome also works for 100% of webpages, same can’t be said of firefox. I still prefer the look and feel of firefox. For instance, the full screen implementation in firefox is vastly superior.

February 25, 2023 at 7:56 pm #100644

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blur13 wrote:

I also find that chrome uses less memory than firefox. Chrome also works for 100% of webpages, same can’t be said of firefox. I still prefer the look and feel of firefox. For instance, the full screen implementation in firefox is vastly superior.

I’ll have to check again with Google Chrome. It may start up with fewer resources, but it quickly grows, and I’ve seen it grow even larger than what I see with Firefox.

The UngoogledChromium in particular definitely uses fewer resources than either Firefox or Google Chrome.
As you say, for many things, I also prefer Firefox and I’ve been using it since it first became a Mozilla family browser.
I also maintain my own copies of the current release, either a Beta or Developer Edition, and a Nightly Edition, and I keep them completely under my own personal management and control.

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