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Brian Masinick
Nothing much new here today with antiX 22; good, reliable, stable software!
sudo ps_mem.py ; pinxi -b Private + Shared = RAM used Program 88.0 KiB + 15.5 KiB = 103.5 KiB runit 108.0 KiB + 20.5 KiB = 128.5 KiB runsvdir 124.0 KiB + 22.5 KiB = 146.5 KiB svlogd 196.0 KiB + 34.5 KiB = 230.5 KiB anacron 200.0 KiB + 34.5 KiB = 234.5 KiB gpm 204.0 KiB + 31.5 KiB = 235.5 KiB atd 288.0 KiB + 32.5 KiB = 320.5 KiB acpid 392.0 KiB + 111.5 KiB = 503.5 KiB dbus-launch 360.0 KiB + 242.5 KiB = 602.5 KiB icewm-session 404.0 KiB + 251.5 KiB = 655.5 KiB udevil 480.0 KiB + 216.5 KiB = 696.5 KiB rpcbind 580.0 KiB + 351.0 KiB = 931.0 KiB getty (4) 624.0 KiB + 395.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB devmon 764.0 KiB + 418.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB gconfd-2 796.0 KiB + 494.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB saned 844.0 KiB + 488.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB desktop-session 1.0 MiB + 611.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB dbus-daemon (3) 1.4 MiB + 457.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB sudo 1.0 MiB + 861.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher 1.4 MiB + 450.0 KiB = 1.9 MiB runsv (22) 1.0 MiB + 864.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB at-spi2-registryd 1.6 MiB + 278.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB udevd 1.5 MiB + 490.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB ntpd 2.2 MiB + 79.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB rsyslogd 1.8 MiB + 487.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB bluetoothd 1.9 MiB + 528.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB bash 3.2 MiB + 36.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged 2.6 MiB + 723.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient 3.3 MiB + 294.5 KiB = 3.6 MiB connmand 3.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 4.9 MiB conky 4.5 MiB + 780.5 KiB = 5.3 MiB wpa_supplicant 4.1 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 5.4 MiB slimski 4.0 MiB + 4.1 MiB = 8.2 MiB volumeicon 5.6 MiB + 2.7 MiB = 8.3 MiB icewm 11.0 MiB + 5.4 MiB = 16.4 MiB roxterm 81.2 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 82.6 MiB Xorg --------------------------------- 170.4 MiB ================================= System: Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.2.8-x64v3-xanmod1 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 30 October 2021 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2100 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0 6.2.8-x64v3-xanmod1 LLVM 11.0.1) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 32.46 GiB (13.6%) Info: Processes: 282 Uptime: 2m Memory: 7.09 GiB used: 587 MiB (8.1%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.25-20--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
After I ran the update above I helped out a neighbor with some pretty basic stuff.
The neighbor wants to create some documents with “announcements”, then put some
“pretty graphics” around it.I showed how to use an ordinary word processor; for us, that could be something
like LibreOffice, SoftMaker FreeOffice, or if it was really simple, abiword.In her case, she has an iPhone and an iMac laptop. The browser would be
Safari, unless she grabs Google Chrome. My wife got a few Google products
on her system, because Apple’s “Pages” word processor, though powerful, is
a confusing interface, full of options and choices, but “intuitive” is NOT
the word that either of us would use, so my wife got her Google Docs and
Google Chrome.Yesterday this same neighbor had more questions, so this morning after
checking a few Emails and checking in here, I went over to “help”. 90%
of what I did was basically a repeat of what my wife had already done.
There’s no way we can get any true Linux stuff; the closest we can get
to “free” is to replace the overly complicated Apple stuff with simpler
Google products.Today I showed her on my computer that I can run the same things from
my Firefox browser (or any other modern Web browser, for that matter).
Then I showed her how Docs has some pretty simple formatting tools,
similar to the ones we have in LibreOffice. Two hours later my final
words were, “Look, in order to remember any of this, you have to
actually USE it and experiment with it. The way to do that is to take
a usable document, make a copy, or several copies of it, then practice
with the copies. You won’t hurt the original unless you change it, but
if you make copies you can experiment, make mistakes, try again, copy
again, until you are comfortable with it”.Even here, we come with a wide variety of experiences. Some things
I know well, but there’s a lot I don’t know, particularly the latest
technologies and tools. I’ll probably start forgetting more and more
over time.The take away is that it’s important to SHARE and document what we’ve
learned, show tips, HOWTO documents, answer questions and be helpful.Some of my friends know a lot more than I do about hardware; they share
what they know and it helps.When you happen to learn something, please take notes and share it
with someone. If it has anything to do with computer technology
it may be relevant here. If it’s Linux, and especially if it’s
antiX, it’s definitely worth sharing; thankfully many people in
this forum are EXTREMELY helpful!--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
antiX 22 – uptime -p
up 4 hours, 11 minutes
date
Tue 28 Mar 2023 02:08:20 PM EDT--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
pinxi -b;uptime -p System: Host: antixBeta-hp-14-fq-1025 Kernel: 6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-23-beta1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 21 March 2023 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1457 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.49 6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 20.42 GiB (8.6%) Info: Processes: 248 Uptime: 1h 24m Memory: 7.1 GiB used: 1.69 GiB (23.8%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.25-21 up 1 hour, 24 minutes--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
inxi -FxxzJy90 System: Kernel: 6.0.0-6mx-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.24 wm: xfwm dm: LightDM Distro: MX-21.3_ahs_x64 Wildflower January 15 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) volts: 12.9 min: 11.3 model: HP Primary serial: <filter> status: not charging CPU: Info: 6-core model: AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen 2 rev: 1 cache: L1: 384 KiB L2: 3 MiB L3: 8 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 706 high: 3049 min/max: 400/4056 boost: enabled cores: 1: 437 2: 400 3: 400 4: 400 5: 426 6: 437 7: 473 8: 437 9: 839 10: 3049 11: 785 12: 400 bogomips: 50304 Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-5 pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:164c temp: 46.0 C Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-3:3 chip-ID: 04f2:b6f1 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.14 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 Monitor-1: eDP-1 mapped: eDP model: ChiMei InnoLux 0x1429 res: 1920x1080 dpi: 158 diag: 354mm (13.9") API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.0.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (LLVM 14.0.5 DRM 3.48 6.0.0-6mx-amd64) direct-render: Yes Audio: Device-1: AMD Renoir Radeon High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:1637 Device-2: AMD ACP/ACP3X/ACP6x Audio Coprocessor vendor: Hewlett-Packard Raven/Raven2/FireFlight/Renoir Processor driver: snd_rn_pci_acp3x v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.5 chip-ID: 1022:15e2 Device-3: AMD Family 17h/19h HD Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.6 chip-ID: 1022:15e3 API: ALSA v: k6.0.0-6mx-amd64 status: kernel-api Server-1: PulseAudio v: 14.2 status: active Network: Device-1: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852ae v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: f000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:a85a IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> Bluetooth: Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-4:4 chip-ID: 0bda:385a Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 3.0 lmp-v: 5.2 sub-v: 8207 Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 23.85 GiB (10.0%) ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: Toshiba model: KBG40ZNV256G KIOXIA size: 238.47 GiB speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 serial: <filter> temp: 24.9 C Partition: ID-1: / size: 47.76 GiB used: 23.79 GiB (49.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4 ID-2: /boot/efi size: 256 MiB used: 56.1 MiB (21.9%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 Swap: Alert: No swap data was found. USB: Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 Device-1: 1-2:2 info: KYE Systems (Mouse Systems) Trackbar Emotion type: Mouse driver: hid-generic,usbhid rev: 1.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip-ID: 0458:0007 Device-2: 1-3:3 info: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: Video driver: uvcvideo rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 04f2:b6f1 Device-3: 1-4:4 info: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: Bluetooth driver: btusb rev: 1.0 speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 0bda:385a Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: Super-speed hub ports: 2 rev: 3.1 speed: 10 Gb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0003 Hub-3: 3-0:1 info: Hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 Hub-4: 4-0:1 info: Super-speed hub ports: 2 rev: 3.1 speed: 10 Gb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0003 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 50.2 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 46.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): fan-1: 0 fan-2: 0 Info: Processes: 315 Uptime: 39m Memory: 7.1 GiB used: 2.24 GiB (31.5%) Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: graphical Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2053 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 running-in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.3.26--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
Messing around with MX Linux and antiX 23 Beta 1; added a new Liquorix kernel to both.
NOTE: both the standard MX kernel and the standard antiX kernel work completely well.
I’m a geek and I like to test. Been using all of the standard facilities so now
I’m using a few of my favorite non-standard ones.My comment on Liquorix is that for my typical workload, it’s the number one kernel out
of all of the ones I’ve used – Debian, Slackware, Arch/EOS, antiX. All of the distributions
have kernels that are fine.The reason I use alternative kernels is because:
1) it’s freely available software and I enjoy experimenting with freely available software
2) though a kernel is rarely the limiting factor in a system unless something DOESN’T work,
various kernels are designed and tuned for specific things.When I did my own very unofficial analysis of the kernel modules and build parameters
I discovered a few settings that clearly favor interactive performance.
The standard Debian kernel is a good, general purpose kernel too but I noticed it was
optimal for server workloads. The antiX kernel is clearly designed for lean, efficient
behavior and it does this exceptionally well.The purpose of all this is simply personal observation, choice and conjecture.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
pinxi -bay System: Host: antixBeta-hp-14-fq-1025 Kernel: 6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0 intel_pstate=disable hpet=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64 root=UUID=d4f28f3d-bba2-45a8-856f-984e1f9cbb30 ro quiet selinux=0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0 Distro: antiX-23-beta1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 21 March 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) volts: 12.9 min: 11.3 model: HP Primary type: Li-ion serial: SerialNumber status: not charging CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] arch: Zen 2 speed (MHz): avg: 2041 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-5 code: Vega process: GF 14nm built: 2017-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:164c class-ID: 0300 temp: 41.0 C Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-3:3 chip-ID: 04f2:b6f1 class-ID: 0e02 serial: 0001 Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.49 6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64) direct-render: Yes Network: Device-1: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852ae v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: f000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:a85a class-ID: 0280 Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 19.62 GiB (8.2%) Info: Processes: 245 Uptime: 1m wakeups: 177 Memory: 7.08 GiB used: 635 MiB (8.8%) Init: runit v: N/A runlevel: 2 tool: service Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1682 libs: 788 tools: apt,apt-get,synaptic Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 running-in: roxterm pinxi: 3.3.26-2--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
pinxi -baGy System: Host: antixBeta-hp-14-fq-1025 Kernel: 6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 parameters: audit=0 intel_pstate=disable hpet=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64 root=UUID=d4f28f3d-bba2-45a8-856f-984e1f9cbb30 ro quiet selinux=0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0 Distro: antiX-23-beta1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 21 March 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) volts: 12.9 min: 11.3 model: HP Primary type: Li-ion serial: SerialNumber status: not charging CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] arch: Zen 2 speed (MHz): avg: 2059 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-5 code: Vega process: GF 14nm built: 2017-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:164c class-ID: 0300 temp: 47.0 C Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-3:3 chip-ID: 04f2:b6f1 class-ID: 0e02 serial: 0001 Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93") Monitor-1: eDP-1 mapped: eDP model: ChiMei InnoLux 0x1429 built: 2020 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 158 gamma: 1.2 size: 309x173mm (12.17x6.81") diag: 354mm (13.9") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480 API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.49 6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64) direct-render: Yes Network: Device-1: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852ae v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: f000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:a85a class-ID: 0280 Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 19.35 GiB (8.1%) Info: Processes: 238 Uptime: 5m wakeups: 364 Memory: 7.08 GiB used: 1.33 GiB (18.8%) Init: runit v: N/A runlevel: 2 tool: service Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1682 libs: 788 tools: apt,apt-get,synaptic Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 running-in: roxterm pinxi: 3.3.26-2--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
pinxi -Fxxx System: Host: antixBeta-hp-14-fq-1025 Kernel: 6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0 Distro: antiX-23-beta1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 21 March 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) volts: 12.9 min: 11.3 model: HP Primary type: Li-ion serial: SerialNumber status: not charging CPU: Info: 6-core model: AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP smt: enabled arch: Zen 2 rev: 1 cache: L1: 384 KiB L2: 3 MiB L3: 8 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 2064 high: 2100 min/max: 1400/4056 boost: enabled cores: 1: 2100 2: 2100 3: 2100 4: 2100 5: 2100 6: 2100 7: 2100 8: 2100 9: 2100 10: 2100 11: 1676 12: 2100 bogomips: 50304 Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-5 pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:164c class-ID: 0300 temp: 46.0 C Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-3:3 chip-ID: 04f2:b6f1 class-ID: 0e02 serial: 0001 Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93") Monitor-1: eDP-1 mapped: eDP model: ChiMei InnoLux 0x1429 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 158 size: 309x173mm (12.17x6.81") diag: 354mm (13.9") modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480 API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.49 6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64) direct-render: Yes Audio: Device-1: AMD Renoir Radeon High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:1637 class-ID: 0403 Device-2: AMD ACP/ACP3X/ACP6x Audio Coprocessor vendor: Hewlett-Packard Raven/Raven2/FireFlight/Renoir Processor driver: snd_rn_pci_acp3x v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.5 chip-ID: 1022:15e2 class-ID: 0480 Device-3: AMD Family 17h/19h HD Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.6 chip-ID: 1022:15e3 class-ID: 0403 API: ALSA v: k6.2.8-3-liquorix-amd64 status: kernel-api with: apulse type: pulse-emulator Network: Device-1: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852ae v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: f000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:a85a class-ID: 0280 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: d8:80:83:b7:f8:bd Bluetooth: Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 2-4:4 chip-ID: 0bda:385a class-ID: e001 serial: 00e04c000001 Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: down bt-service: disabled rfk-block: hardware: no software: yes address: D8:80:83:B7:F8:BE Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 19.35 GiB (8.1%) ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: Toshiba model: KBG40ZNV256G KIOXIA size: 238.47 GiB speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD serial: 223PH15AQW82 rev: HP00AE00 temp: 27.9 C scheme: GPT Partition: ID-1: / size: 47.76 GiB used: 19.29 GiB (40.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p5 ID-2: /boot/efi size: 256 MiB used: 56.1 MiB (21.9%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 Swap: ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 7.81 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p6 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 50.9 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 46.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): fan-1: 0 fan-2: 0 Info: Processes: 240 Uptime: 11m wakeups: 778 Memory: 7.08 GiB used: 1.35 GiB (19.0%) Init: runit v: N/A runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1682 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 running-in: roxterm pinxi: 3.3.26-2--
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Hi @masinick,
@brandonirizarry: Thank you for your information.
You’re welcome! (Also, sorry for somewhat of a late reply, I didn’t even realize that you had responded so quickly to my post!)
I’m very interested in hearing more about “emacs inxi” as your shell. May I assume that you are running Emacs and ran the Emacs shell, then ran inxi?
Yes. I just reran inxi -v5 in both Eshell and Vterm just now, and it looks like that output was from within Eshell, rather than Vterm. I tend to stick with Vterm these days, since it’s meant to be a bona-fide terminal; but (as a good Emacs user), I should probably think of migrating more and more to Eshell when possible. 🙂
In my career I would often handle a lot of what I did straight from Emacs. Though I don’t use it anywhere near as often now, I still check it out occasionally.
Yes, I was sort of an on-and-off user of Emacs myself, though recently I decided to stick with it and master it. It’s a shame that Debian stable is only on version 27, while 28 is the current major version, and people are already talking about version 29. I’ve tried compiling 28 from source, but “got it wrong”, since I had left out some ‘configure’ settings necessary for running certain packages later. Getting that right seems somewhat tricky, so I’m content with Debian’s version. Though I’m definitely looking forward to a 28 backport, and I have my eye on the Debian package.
This is one of the most interesting updates I’ve read recently.
I must say I’m a bit flattered; I definitely wasn’t expecting that. 🙂
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You know, though we have a couple of similarities, back in the day when I was either developing, maintaining or testing and I was using Linux or UNIX, which was a decent percentage of my career, I preferred Emacs. Our development group in one company even had a contributing version of Emacs, and I could be wrong about this, but we may have even packaged GNU Emacs once or twice in our optional software kit for developers, but when I was working for a few years as a localization engineer in the UNIX group, we had what we called /contrib on our servers and it had lots of GNU software on it, for instance, it had GNU Emacs, it had GNU tar (and quite a few other GNU and non-GNU freely available software titles. When one of us saw a version of something we wanted and we copied it to our system, we had a privileged procedure that we could run to kit the software and put it into this /contrib directory tree so the entire development community could, if they wished, use anything that was placed there.
I always wanted the latest version of GNU Emacs, so if our /contrib version was out of date or something else was missing or out of date, I’d submit a contribution.
These days, I’ll occasionally install GNU Emacs, but I don’t have very many practical uses for it on any regular basis. Since I’ve been using antiX, I’ve grown surprisingly fond of geany, because even though it’s a moderate size editor, it is, at least in SOME ways similar to an IDE – an integrated development environment, with hooks to a lot more than “just an editor” – sound familiar? Vim and Emacs have both gone that way since the days I first used them, and Vim is much more capable than the original vi, which is super light in comparison.
Anyway, these days I just follow, and occasionally use some of the tools mostly as a retired hobbyist; since I haven’t completely lost my mind or memory (yet), I occasionally experiment, and I certainly test, with the hope of helping out a bit and perhaps getting a few more people interested in some classic, powerful tools.
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Brian MasinickI remember trying Geany (as a result of having been introduced to it through AntiX!). I actually liked it, and may well could’ve been using it as my primary editor to this day. I ran into some difficulties with the plugin system, though.
Emacs these days has amazing Git integration with the Magit package. Org, too, is a very intuitive, zero-learning-curve way of taking notes (and creating outlines in general).
Emacs, aside from being powerful, also feels the most intuitive to use.
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@bci I certainly do not take issue with any of your points, and these days, most systems, even 10-15 year old systems can easily handle Emacs, and you’re right, there are countless features that have been added over the years. Some people even kid about it as the “operating system that can also edit files!”
It’s not QUITE there, but the Emacs project went a LOT further than Stallman’s original GNU project. I think it was around 1982 when he got fed up with not having open access to something so he started the GNU project and the first tool was Emacs, GNU Emacs. I’ve only got a rough idea, based on memory, but I think his first GNU version of Emacs was around 1984. There was a Gosling version of Emacs that made it out before that; oh yes, Emacs originally stood for editor macros, and those original editor macros were TECO editor macros and TECO was an ancient editor which got the name from Tape Editor COrrector.
Did you happen to know any of those tidbits?
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https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsHistory
“Emacs began at the Artificial Intelligence Laboratory at MIT… Beginning in 1972, staff hacker Carl Mikkelsen added display-editing capability to TECO, the text editor on the AI Lab’s Incompatible TimeSharing System (ITS) “Display-editing” meant that the screen display was updated as the user entered new commands; compare the behavior of ed. In 1974, Richard Stallman added macro features to the TECO editor.”
“The users at the AI Lab Large soon accumulated a collection of custom macros, TECO programs that could be launched from within the display editing mode. In 1976, Stallman wrote the first Emacs (“Editor MACroS”), which organized these macros into a single command set and added facilities for SelfDocumentation and to be extensible. TecoEmacs soon became the standard editor on ITS.”
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“In 1978, Bernard Greenberg wrote Multics Emacs at Honeywell’s Cambridge Information Systems Lab. The editor was written in Mac Lisp, a dialect of the LISP programming language. User-supplied extensions were also written in Lisp. The choice of Lisp provided more extensibility than ever before, and has been followed by most subsequent Emacsen.”
(For ME, personally, this was the first version of Emacs I personally got my hands on. At General Motors in Michigan, one team, one small part of the hourly personnel systems, was hosted on MULTICS. It was, by far, the most interesting of the applications, it was better written, cooler technology and I got my first taste of Emacs. Though I wasn’t very good at it at first, I still found it interesting and it led to A LOT more in the future, though quite a few years in the future).
“Gosling Emacs, the first Emacs to run on Unix, was written by James Gosling in 1981, based on the plans he and Richard Stallman had developed for a new, widely portable Emacs. It was written in C, with Mock Lisp at the core of its functionality and as its extension language. Mock Lisp looked a bit like Lisp, but it was not really Lisp: it lacked true lists (it couldn’t ‘cons’), and handling of function arguments was done in an error-prone, artificial way. For more info, see WikiPedia:Gosling Emacs).”
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“In 1984, Stallman began writing another Emacs implementation based on the former co-planning with Gosling, naming it GnuEmacs, which became the first program in the nascent GNU project. See WikiPedia:GNU Emacs for an extensive history and description. Like with Gosling Emacs, GNU Emacs’s core (user interface and Lisp engine) was written in C, while the engine’s Lisp itself was used to write most parts of the editor’s functionality and is used as integral extension language at the same time. Stallman’s EmacsLisp derived directly from MacLisp, thus featured several improvements over MockLisp, and had new features specifically suited to editing text and source code. The first widely distributed version of GNU Emacs was 15.34, which appeared in 1985. Like Gosling Emacs, GNU Emacs ran on Unix, but it had more features and a more advanced extension language. It soon replaced Gosling Emacs as the de facto Emacs editor on Unix.”
There is more there; most of the things I remembered seem to be reasonably close to what’s stated in this article.
As far as me, the more I used UNIX, the more I started to use Emacs instead of vi or other editors. Incidentally, editors like Featherpad, Leafpad, Mousepad came much later; geany wasn’t even started until 2005, Vim was started by Bram Moolenaar in late 1991, and Java was created by James Gosling in 1995 while he was working at Sun Microsystems. Development of Java began in 1991, and the first public version was released in January 1996.
So as you can see, Emacs was “on the scene” BEFORE a LOT of this other stuff happened, though the original code for vi was written by Bill Joy in 1976, as the visual mode for a line editor called ex that Joy had written with Chuck Haley. Bill Joy’s ex 1.1 was released as part of the first Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) Unix release in March 1978, and therefore Emacs and vi were getting their early ideas and efforts around the same period in time, just in different places.
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