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Trashthrasher
@Trashthrasher thank you for making positive use of as many electronic components as possible.
I’ve written a few posts today about one of my former employers, and also about my personal interests in taking good care of electronics that we no longer use.1) If we are successful in using them longer, great! I realize that some newer stuff is more energy efficient, but I’m very concerned about toxic waste.
2) When I lived in various New England communities, there were several places that were already terribly polluted. Though the “air” seemed “clean” in comparison to some industrial cities, the below ground water often had toxicity, some dumps were seeping dangerous substances and others were emitting sulfur dioxide and other degrading things.
3) I WAS extremely fortunate to work in a company where the founder himself was a semiconductor expert. As he aged, he realized that we must be careful what we do with our old stuff, so he opened a reclamation plant, and we’d send a LOT of our own equipment that was no longer used in day to day operation, and we’d separate copper, other metals, plastics, and other components, and instead of sending them to a dump, we’d try to, as best as we could, find a better use or reuse for them.While I’m not sure if we were 100% successful in reusing everything, we genuinely tried to do our best, and I highly encourage everyone to do everything in your power to “pay this forward”; that is, if you know of ways in which any parts and pieces of electronic components can be reused rather than allowing them to reach a toxic waste dump, PLEASE do so! Before the end of my usable lifetime, I hope comments like these will resonate throughout the world and we will collectively solve more and more of the issues that have plagued humanity throughout our existence. The more we can be good citizens of every possible thing, the more we will promote health and well being and who knows, maybe even the wealth and creation of additional lines of business that can greatly help communities all over the world.
When I say “wealth”, I’m NOT referring to selfish behavior, hoarding whatever we have, I’m referring to as many ways as we can to be kind, sharing, helpful in spreading good to people everywhere. If I can help even a few in that regard, and each one of us can do the same, imagine the positive impact of a few hundred people who “pay it forward” with every act of kindness toward other people.
Best wishes to everyone!
Thanks for all of the “thanks”!!! I had several more at one point, but I installed Linux (usually Lubuntu) & gave them to friends/people in need. The only one I purchased was actually the Asus x502 & the rest were all either found or handed down. It’s quite a good feeling to remove windows, install Linux & get them running again.
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uptime -p;pinxi -b up 2 hours, 53 minutes System: Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.2.10-1-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 30 October 2021 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2257 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0 6.2.10-1-liquorix-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 31.55 GiB (13.2%) Info: Processes: 263 Uptime: 2h 53m Memory: 7.1 GiB used: 1.65 GiB (23.2%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.26-10--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
I’ve updated here now too and I have a newer version of the Liquorix kernel available here, but I’m back with our Beta 1; feels very similar to antiX 21/22 at this point, with somewhat newer software. I’ve even made my own appearance changes, so they’re all close to the same.
pinxi -b System: Host: antixBeta-hp-14-fq-1025 Kernel: 6.2.9-4-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-23-beta1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 21 March 2023 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1982 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.49 6.2.9-4-liquorix-amd64) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 20.34 GiB (8.5%) Info: Processes: 229 Uptime: 7m Memory: 7.08 GiB used: 710.4 MiB (9.8%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.26-10--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
I’m done for today; got a lot done, shopped for baguette bread this morning, went to the local chiropractic office, then the grocery store a couple of doors down, came home and helped put things away, then helped my wife as she cooked a few things for the weekend.
Got time in between to test out software, then cleaned up the kitchen and did some more system updates and tests.
That’s it for today, ended with antiX 23 Beta 1, which in the form I have mine, is as usable to me as antiX 22 at this point.
Have a good weekend; as “The Terminator” says, “I’ll be back!” 🙂
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
On Saturday morning, I’m now booting with the latest Liquorix kernel –
pinxi -b System: Host: antixBeta-hp-14-fq-1025 Kernel: 6.2.10-1-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-23-beta1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 21 March 2023 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2041 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 3.49 6.2.10-1-liquorix-amd64) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 20.04 GiB (8.4%) Info: Processes: 231 Uptime: 0m Memory: 7.08 GiB used: 638.4 MiB (8.8%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.26-10--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
antiX 22 today –
pinxi -b System: Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.2.10-x64v3-xanmod1 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 30 October 2021 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2100 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0 6.2.10-x64v3-xanmod1 LLVM 11.0.1) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 31.47 GiB (13.2%) Info: Processes: 274 Uptime: 1m Memory: 7.09 GiB used: 576.5 MiB (7.9%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.26-10--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
Attached is one of my favorite backgrounds of the Cumberland Falls. I had a different one, then I found this one with a rainbow they call a Moonbow panarama.
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In the pinxi comparison above, was a browser run at the time? Memory footprint seems rather high, hence my conjecture…
Thanks for sharing…Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersBrian Masinick
No, there’s quite a difference between what pinxi and what ps_mem.py measure. I see between 550-600 MB with pinxi and under 170 MB with ps_mem.py.
sudo ps_mem.py [sudo] password for masinick: Private + Shared = RAM used Program 92.0 KiB + 16.5 KiB = 108.5 KiB runit 104.0 KiB + 22.5 KiB = 126.5 KiB runsvdir 124.0 KiB + 24.5 KiB = 148.5 KiB svlogd 196.0 KiB + 35.5 KiB = 231.5 KiB gpm 208.0 KiB + 35.5 KiB = 243.5 KiB atd 284.0 KiB + 44.5 KiB = 328.5 KiB acpid 256.0 KiB + 94.5 KiB = 350.5 KiB rtkit-daemon 408.0 KiB + 141.5 KiB = 549.5 KiB dbus-launch 356.0 KiB + 255.5 KiB = 611.5 KiB icewm-session 372.0 KiB + 314.5 KiB = 686.5 KiB udevil 396.0 KiB + 293.5 KiB = 689.5 KiB getty (3) 488.0 KiB + 224.5 KiB = 712.5 KiB rpcbind 624.0 KiB + 428.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB devmon 796.0 KiB + 509.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB saned 848.0 KiB + 471.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB dbus-daemon (2) 836.0 KiB + 516.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB desktop-session 1.4 MiB + 478.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB runsv (21) 1.4 MiB + 463.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB sudo 1.6 MiB + 288.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB udevd 1.4 MiB + 499.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB ntpd 1.7 MiB + 526.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB bash 2.2 MiB + 85.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB rsyslogd 1.9 MiB + 527.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB bluetoothd 2.2 MiB + 728.5 KiB = 2.9 MiB polkitd 3.2 MiB + 38.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged 2.5 MiB + 758.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient 3.4 MiB + 331.5 KiB = 3.7 MiB connmand 3.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 4.9 MiB conky 4.6 MiB + 828.5 KiB = 5.4 MiB wpa_supplicant 4.1 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 5.5 MiB slimski 5.5 MiB + 2.9 MiB = 8.4 MiB icewm 4.2 MiB + 4.3 MiB = 8.6 MiB volumeicon 10.4 MiB + 5.6 MiB = 16.0 MiB roxterm 81.4 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 82.7 MiB Xorg --------------------------------- 168.5 MiB =================================--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
I didn’t isolate the exact reason for the discrepancy in the numbers for “memory used”, but we have discussed this multiple times. Between the use of top, htop, conky, free -h, and inxi or pinxi, each of the tools have a different “view” and “value” for “memory”. All I can say is that each of them is without question looking at different resources and uses different methods of obtaining and displaying the values, and that’s the “obvious” reason for the differences. Beyond that, it’s a non-trivial exercise for explaining why the values are so different.
My pal h2 may have better insight than most of us because he authors inxi/pinxi and has probably looked at the sources of other tools from time to time, whereas I have not closely examined the sources of any of the tools recently; I’m simply making a reasonably educated conjecture about the reason for the differences. Clearly the combination of differences in where the information “comes from” and the algorithms used to display them varies considerably, that much is a reasonable guess!
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
Along those lines, here is the quick snapshot of resource utilization on antiX 22 this morning, Sunday, April 9 WITH a Web browser and two active tabs and a roxterm open –
pinxi -b System: Host: brian-antix-hp-14fq1025nr Kernel: 6.2.10-1-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 30 October 2021 Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 14-fq1xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 887C v: 59.11 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.18 date: 11/26/2021 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.6 Wh (99.8%) condition: 40.7/40.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon Graphics [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 1918 min/max: 1400/4056 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel Device-2: Chicony HP TrueVision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.49.0 6.2.10-1-liquorix-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) Network: Device-1: Realtek driver: rtw89_8852ae Drives: Local Storage: total: 238.47 GiB used: 30.46 GiB (12.8%) Info: Processes: 271 Uptime: 35m Memory: 7.1 GiB used: 1.43 GiB (20.1%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.26-10--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
sudo ps_mem.py [sudo] password for masinick: Private + Shared = RAM used Program 96.0 KiB + 11.5 KiB = 107.5 KiB runit 100.0 KiB + 15.5 KiB = 115.5 KiB runsvdir 108.0 KiB + 21.5 KiB = 129.5 KiB sleep 120.0 KiB + 20.5 KiB = 140.5 KiB run-parts 124.0 KiB + 17.5 KiB = 141.5 KiB svlogd 80.0 KiB + 77.5 KiB = 157.5 KiB sh 96.0 KiB + 75.5 KiB = 171.5 KiB apt-compat 204.0 KiB + 25.5 KiB = 229.5 KiB gpm 208.0 KiB + 25.5 KiB = 233.5 KiB atd 216.0 KiB + 31.5 KiB = 247.5 KiB anacron 260.0 KiB + 51.5 KiB = 311.5 KiB rtkit-daemon 288.0 KiB + 25.5 KiB = 313.5 KiB acpid 360.0 KiB + 92.5 KiB = 452.5 KiB icewm-session 400.0 KiB + 86.5 KiB = 486.5 KiB dbus-launch 368.0 KiB + 137.5 KiB = 505.5 KiB udevil 460.0 KiB + 154.5 KiB = 614.5 KiB rpcbind 388.0 KiB + 278.5 KiB = 666.5 KiB getty (3) 644.0 KiB + 373.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB devmon 376.0 KiB + 754.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB saned (2) 924.0 KiB + 364.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB dbus-daemon (2) 836.0 KiB + 457.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB desktop-session 1.4 MiB + 345.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB runsv (21) 1.4 MiB + 346.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB sudo 1.3 MiB + 527.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB console-kit-daemon 1.6 MiB + 245.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB udevd 1.5 MiB + 381.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB ntpd 1.4 MiB + 640.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB polkitd 1.8 MiB + 234.5 KiB = 2.1 MiB bluetoothd 2.2 MiB + 50.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB rsyslogd 1.8 MiB + 499.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB bash 3.2 MiB + 25.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged 2.5 MiB + 745.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient 3.5 MiB + 225.5 KiB = 3.7 MiB connmand 3.5 MiB + 788.5 KiB = 4.3 MiB conky 4.0 MiB + 728.5 KiB = 4.7 MiB slimski 4.7 MiB + 767.5 KiB = 5.4 MiB wpa_supplicant 2.7 MiB + 3.2 MiB = 6.0 MiB volumeicon 5.5 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 6.7 MiB icewm 9.1 MiB + 2.0 MiB = 11.1 MiB pulseaudio 7.3 MiB + 5.3 MiB = 12.5 MiB roxterm 37.5 MiB + 22.3 MiB = 59.8 MiB Xorg 787.7 MiB + 128.8 MiB = 916.5 MiB firefox-bin (14) --------------------------------- 1.0 GiB =================================--
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I checked the two tab memory consumption replacing one of the Firefox instances with a Google Chrome instance; very little difference in resource usage:
sudo ps_mem.py [sudo] password for masinick: Private + Shared = RAM used Program 108.0 KiB + 14.5 KiB = 122.5 KiB runit 128.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 146.5 KiB runsvdir 148.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 166.5 KiB svlogd 140.0 KiB + 29.5 KiB = 169.5 KiB seatd 212.0 KiB + 128.0 KiB = 340.0 KiB cat (2) 352.0 KiB + 172.5 KiB = 524.5 KiB udevil 364.0 KiB + 167.5 KiB = 531.5 KiB icewm-session 420.0 KiB + 311.5 KiB = 731.5 KiB getty (3) 736.0 KiB + 182.0 KiB = 918.0 KiB dbus-launch (2) 636.0 KiB + 382.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB devmon 764.0 KiB + 298.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB gconfd-2 844.0 KiB + 382.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB desktop-session 1.0 MiB + 243.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB runsv (11) 1.1 MiB + 396.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB dbus-daemon (3) 916.0 KiB + 787.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB sudo (2) 1.2 MiB + 537.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB upowerd 1.6 MiB + 209.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB udevd 1.7 MiB + 94.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB nacl_helper 908.0 KiB + 1.0 MiB = 1.9 MiB chrome_crashpad_handler (2) 1.8 MiB + 436.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB bash 2.1 MiB + 487.5 KiB = 2.6 MiB conky 2.6 MiB + 340.5 KiB = 3.0 MiB cupsd 3.7 MiB + 154.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB connmand 4.1 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 5.2 MiB slimski 2.7 MiB + 2.7 MiB = 5.3 MiB volumeicon 4.7 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 6.1 MiB wpa_supplicant 7.2 MiB + 3.4 MiB = 10.6 MiB icewm 6.1 MiB + 5.5 MiB = 11.6 MiB roxterm 12.2 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 13.8 MiB ntpd 18.1 MiB + 6.0 MiB = 24.2 MiB zzzfm 57.9 MiB + 30.7 MiB = 88.7 MiB Xorg 632.2 MiB + 207.7 MiB = 839.9 MiB chrome (17) --------------------------------- 1.0 GiB =================================--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
Regarding memory usage with different tools, 1.0 Gib reported above
MiB Mem : 7253.9 total, 4076.5 free, 1346.8 used — top report
1005M/7.08G — htop display
free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 7427968 1376692 4175092 50520 2219884 6051276At least these values are “similar”.
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